Author Topic: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Oro_Orbis  158 posts
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Date Posted: 6/25/06 4:21am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
QuentinGeorge posted:
I'm not sure if Abel intended this, but Sith history does actually echo English history, to some extent.

When the Normans conquered the Saxons of England, at first they ruled with quite a different culture, but eventually the Normans were the ones assimilated - a fair portion of what we consider "English" owes itself to Saxon, rather than Norman.

We see a similar thing with the Sith - despite the fact the Dark Jedi conquer the race, and rule them as god-kings, thousands of years down the line, native Sith culture is so entrenched that we see the Sith of the New Sith Wars (1,000 BBY), eating bloodsoup - which is described as a traditional dish of the Sith species.

Very interesting, the species may not have survived, but cultural elements of that have survived at least six thousand years of foreign rulership.



Well... that has kinda happened thoughtout history to every culture on the planet.

 

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TalonCard  7489 posts
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Date Posted: 6/25/06 7:34am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
>Ive always wondered - look at Star Trek, and how in 'Enterprise', a bunch of idiots managed to screw up one of the greatest fictional franchises of all time - how hard would it have been for them to just hire a damn fan for continuity advice? If they couldnt be bothered themselves, thats all they had to do (not that it would have saved the pre-school level of writing).<

If they'd had good writing, then perhaps the loose continuity wouldn't have mattered quite so much. As it stands, though, the continuity in Enterprise was about as good as it was in any of the other shows. And I rather liked the fourth season--bringing in Manny Coto was basically hiring a fan, as you suggest. But by that time it was too late to save the show, unfortunately. Personally, I think that it was the only fair-to-poor writing on Voyager, coupled with decent-to-poor writing for two seasons on Enterprise, and then the extremly poor-to-excellent (it was really hit-or-miss, mostly miss) third season that did Star Trek in. Enterprise alone can't be blamed.

TC

 

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Darth_Krayt 
Registered: Jun '06
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Date Posted: 6/25/06 8:53am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Is there any info on Sion or Nihilus?

 

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Oro_Orbis  158 posts
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Date Posted: 6/25/06 9:01am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
TalonCard posted:
>Ive always wondered - look at Star Trek, and how in 'Enterprise', a bunch of idiots managed to screw up one of the greatest fictional franchises of all time - how hard would it have been for them to just hire a damn fan for continuity advice? If they couldnt be bothered themselves, thats all they had to do (not that it would have saved the pre-school level of writing).<

If they'd had good writing, then perhaps the loose continuity wouldn't have mattered quite so much. As it stands, though, the continuity in Enterprise was about as good as it was in any of the other shows. And I rather liked the fourth season--bringing in Manny Coto was basically hiring a fan, as you suggest. But by that time it was too late to save the show, unfortunately. Personally, I think that it was the only fair-to-poor writing on Voyager, coupled with decent-to-poor writing for two seasons on Enterprise, and then the extremly poor-to-excellent (it was really hit-or-miss, mostly miss) third season that did Star Trek in. Enterprise alone can't be blamed.

TC


Enterprise however was the biggest tragedy, since it had such potential.

Manny's introduction to the writing pretty much eliminated the continuity problem - but not the long running problem of piss poor writing and believability. And another facet of his bad writing was how he tried to all of a sudden (after three seasons of bad continuity, including the worst continuity violation of all time - the Romulan cloaking device - and poor interpretation of the established cannon for the era), he suddenly tried packing as much TOS-era stuff into the show as possible, rendering it just as un-believable, as every last fanboy thread that could be picked up was added - mirror universe, Gorn, Romulans, Klingon ridges, Orians, Federarion articles, etc. No dramatic restriant of continuity is just as devestating as no grasp of continuity.

 

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Ph0enix  2048 posts
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Date Posted: 6/25/06 9:29am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Darth_Krayt posted:
Is there any info on Sion or Nihilus?



Nothing on Sion, IIRC. And Nihilus is only mentioned by name once, nothing new though.

What I find more interesting than anything about this article are the details about Lumiya and her apprentices. I never really could follow what was going on there, but now, everything is falling into place and Vader's Legacy can't come fast enough...

 

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Kwenn  9850 posts
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Date Posted: 6/25/06 11:34am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
JMM posted:
Very impressed with this article. Interesting that the actual Insider article doesn't really have any new information and is just a summary of things we, for the most part, all ready know. I hope it's not a sign of a new direction, giving us more info in Hyperspace supplements than in the magazine. I do subscribe to both, but more people read the Insider than those who subscribe.

JMM


Since I'm not an Insider subscriber, I kinda hope we do get this kind of info in the online supplements. It will also mean we get Abel writing it. That's not to disparage other writers, but, well...Abel is the Man of the Fans. peace

 

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Darth_Krayt 
Registered: Jun '06
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Date Posted: 6/25/06 12:31pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
I really want a story about Nihilus because he is one of the most scariest character of the Star Wars Universe, look at his eyes:

The people of Obsidian did a wonderfull job!

 

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Halagad_Ventor  1278 posts
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Date Posted: 6/25/06 10:48pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Lord_Hydronium posted:
Wow. As a Sith fan, all I can say is, go Abel. That was excellent, and it makes the contents of Insider 88 look pitiful in comparison.
That's high praise, LH. Thank you. I'm a huge dark sider fan too, obviously, and it was great to do something of this scope with the Sith, and especially to tie it all back to Lumiya and the future of the Sith order. It was fun to set her up as a string-pulling villain, just lurking ominously in the background throughout the piece.

Lord_Hydronium posted:
Sith'ari is a Sith title meaning "the Lord" or "overlord".
Something that was slightly changed in approvals. Originally, "the Lord" or "god-king."

Lord_Hydronium posted:
A new Darth: Darth Cognus, master of Darth Millennial.
The name Cognus is another change that comes down from LFL, though it's right up my alley.

Lord_Hydronium posted:
I don't know if this was already in a source, but there's a retcon for the Korriban/Ziost discrepancy as to what the homeworld of the Sith species is. They came from Korriban, but massive infighting forced them to relocate to Ziost long before the exiled Jedi came.
This is new. Ziost has always made the most sense.

Sauron_18 posted:
5 Years!? Must be hard for you to keep so much secret grin Great Info!
No question. I was always hopeful END would eventually see the light of day, though... and I love surprises.

Ulicus posted:
Edit: If it's as good as it sounds, I think Mr Pena has redeemed himself for the introduction of "Millenial" into the Darth lexicon*
Very gracious of you, Ulicus.

Hmm, Darth Ulicus... wink

 

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Date Posted: 6/25/06 11:50pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Sauron_18 posted:
PS: There's no mention of Vongorella
I needed to save something for Vader's Legacy. wink

Sauron_18 posted:
PS: I guess I should also mention, Vader's glove was retconned. It's not the actual glove that is indestructible, Vader took one of Kaans indestructible gauntlets and sort of put his glove over it or something like that...


A pet theory of mine even longer than I've been writing officialy for LFL. I have a real love/hate relatinship with the Prophets of the Dark Side. Hopefully it all makes sense to all of the three people who keep track of their backstory.

QuentinGeorge posted:
Ah! Adas retconned as an actual Sith Lord (ie, a Lord of the Red-skinned race) rather than a "Sith Lord" (ie, Dark Jedi Master ruling said race).

Nice work, Abel!
It's small things like this that often times serve as the catalyst for my desire to take on a particular project. For History of the Mandalorians, it was my appreciation for the Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala Clone Wars background from Marvel comics. For Evil Never Dies, it was a desire to tackle a "Sith Lord" two dozen millennia before the events of Tales of the Jedi.

Adas' background was altered several times over the last five years. Originally, it wasn't the Rakata he did battle with, but the Exiles, who at the time were in fact the fallen Jedi from the First Great Schism, not the second.

You always gotta be flexible with these things.

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Sauron_18  3594 posts
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Date Posted: 6/26/06 12:01am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Just a small question in general to anyone who might know:


Just what does an original Sith look like??


Because in the comics we've seen various kinds:


Sadow-Sith: They've got basically everything human except the Skin coloration and Chin Fins.

Random-Sith: They are similar to the Sadow-Sith, but they've got more "ape-like" features on their face

Kressh-Sith: Basically the Random-Sith, but they've got the literall Pharaoh's beard in their chin.


So which one of these varieties is supposed to be the "unmessed" one??

 

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Darth_Krayt 
Registered: Jun '06
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Date Posted: 6/26/06 12:07am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Halagad_Ventor posted:
Sauron_18 posted:
PS: There's no mention of Vongorella
I needed to save something for Vader's Legacy. wink

Sauron_18 posted:
PS: I guess I should also mention, Vader's glove was retconned. It's not the actual glove that is indestructible, Vader took one of Kaans indestructible gauntlets and sort of put his glove over it or something like that...


A pet theory of mine even longer than I've been writing officialy for LFL. I have a real love/hate relatinship with the Prophets of the Dark Side. Hopefully it all makes sense to all of the three people who keep track of their backstory.

QuentinGeorge posted:
Ah! Adas retconned as an actual Sith Lord (ie, a Lord of the Red-skinned race) rather than a "Sith Lord" (ie, Dark Jedi Master ruling said race).

Nice work, Abel!
It's small things like this that often times serve as the catalyst for my desire to take on a particular project. For History of the Mandalorians, it was my appreciation for the Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala Clone Wars background from Marvel comics. For Evil Never Dies, it was a desire to tackle a "Sith Lord" two dozen millennia before the events of Tales of the Jedi.

Adas' background was altered several times over the last five years. Originally, it wasn't the Rakata he did battle with, but the Exiles, who at the time were in fact the fallen Jedi from the First Great Schism, not the second.

You always gotta be flexible with these things.

Take care,
Abel

I'm a great fan of you! Although i'm new i allready have great respect for you!
Yet there is one thing i'd like to see is some info and new pictures of Darth Nihilus, he is very special. I'd like to see what gave him the power to consume the Force of living things! He frightened me in The Sith Lords and after that i red, Unseen Unheard. So is it possible that you can give more info about this guy or will his history be explained in KotOR comics?
Cheers,
Darth Krayt

 

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razzy1319  1862 posts
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Date Posted: 6/26/06 12:08am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Sauron_18 posted:
Just a small question in general to anyone who might know:


Just what does an original Sith look like??


Because in the comics we've seen various kinds:


Sadow-Sith: They've got basically everything human except the Skin coloration and Chin Fins.

Random-Sith: They are similar to the Sadow-Sith, but they've got more "ape-like" features on their face

Kressh-Sith: Basically the Random-Sith, but they've got the literall Pharaoh's beard in their chin.


So which one of these varieties is supposed to be the "unmessed" one??



Sadow, Kressh and Ragnos were all Sith/Near-Human hybrids, And I guess the Massassi will be the "purest" Sith we are gonna get since they were devolved sith.

 

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Sauron_18  3594 posts
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Date Posted: 6/26/06 12:19am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
razzy1319 posted:
Sauron_18 posted:
Just a small question in general to anyone who might know:


Just what does an original Sith look like??


Because in the comics we've seen various kinds:


Sadow-Sith: They've got basically everything human except the Skin coloration and Chin Fins.

Random-Sith: They are similar to the Sadow-Sith, but they've got more "ape-like" features on their face

Kressh-Sith: Basically the Random-Sith, but they've got the literall Pharaoh's beard in their chin.


So which one of these varieties is supposed to be the "unmessed" one??



Sadow, Kressh and Ragnos were all Sith/Near-Human hybrids, And I guess the Massassi will be the "purest" Sith we are gonna get since they were devolved sith.


Which Massasi?? The ones in GAOTS or the ones in TSL??

 

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QuentinGeorge  4759 posts
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Date Posted: 6/26/06 12:36am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Actually, Kressh was pure-blood Sith.

Sadow was the hybrid - with mostly Jedi blood.

 

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Charlii  839 posts
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Date Posted: 6/26/06 12:40am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
I beleive that what you call "random-sith" (slaves, background characters) are mostly pure Sith. The Lords all had Jedi blood in them, although to different degrees. The Massassi were bred to be a special cast of warriors long before GAotS and can not be seen as baseline Sith.



/Charlii

 

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