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johnthejedi24 Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 9/7/06 12:09pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Dang, I started an interesting thread this time and it is going for 3 pages so far. I never realised his situation would garner so much different view-points on him and his activities and the legalness of his trials/the rebellion/empire ....etc. -----signature----- All hail the Imperial Remnant.
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RogueWompRat Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 9/7/06 2:15pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed? - Date Edited: 9/7/06 2:16pm (3 edits total) Edited By: RogueWompRat
	Excellence posted: You ought to change that to "WTH" instead; the F is still considered swearing. We can't use an acronym for an exclaimation containing a swear word? WT__________________F is this tomfoolery? -----signature----- "the Force is between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere..."
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 9/7/06 10:34pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	There's thousands of words in eng; alternating another is easy as disliking dwarfs. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/7/06 10:41pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Unless my memory fails me, there are very few atrocities (if not zero) mentioned in SW material carried out by Imperials that the reader or viewer has not already witnessed in primary sources. The one exception I would make for that is Tarkin. Yes, you have moments like Daala remembering Tarkin frying people. However, WEG was the one whom added the most "The Empire is a right bunch of barves aren't they?" WEG added dozens of world's destroyed and constant EVILLL plots by Imperials as adventure fodder. A symbol? How is offing a captive officer going to help the Rebel cause? Doing so removes virtually any impulse an Imperial might have to surrendering. Moreover, the Emperor and his successor Lord Vader were dead. How does executing a mere Grand Admiral become a more effective symbol than the death of the heart of the Empire itself? The Rebellion HATES the Empire. I'm getting a trifle ill of the consolling, "I'm okay, you're okay", and touchy feely relationship between the Empire and Rebellion people seem to be implying. Killing Teshik probably inspires many other worlds that they're making excellent progress in destroying the Empire's High Command. The Rebellion might be fine with Imperial's surrendering but its chief method of winning the galaxy is gradually killing off the Emperor's Inner Circle. You don't "sit" on having a Grand Admiral.
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GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/7/06 10:59pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	It's also a wonderful propaganda stunt. Not only did they just kill off the Empire's leadership, but they can say "look who we have! Whoops, there goes his head." Look at the X-wing comics, for example. Even though it's only six months after Endor and even though the Galactic Empire is still, for the most part, entirely intact the Imperials are quivering in their boots. It makes a terrific impression when a pitiful little band suddenly beats the snot out of the supposedly invincible government. As C19 says, the Rebels would be perfectly happy wiping out every last trace of the Empire--it's in their statement of intent. If they can get defectors, that'd be nice too, but it's not necessary. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 9/7/06 11:01pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	The Imperium fragmented into scores of pieces. Too many grabbing assets for themselves. Alliance forces assaulted what they chose piecemeal. That's how they accrued more holomap. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 3:19pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	That didn't really happen 'til after Imperial Center fell, though. There were only a few warlord regimes around before then--Zsinj, Terradoc, Harrsk, Kaine, Drommel--they're all that come to mind. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 3:57pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	GrandAdmiralJello posted: That didn't really happen 'til after Imperial Center fell, though. There were only a few warlord regimes around before then--Zsinj, Terradoc, Harrsk, Kaine, Drommel--they're all that come to mind. I think the Empire's fragmentation was a lot more immediate and devastating Jello. The miniscule fleet at Endor couldn't take over an Imperial Sector let alone take out the capital so obviously something happened to empower the Rebellion. My take on it is that Pestage's withdrawl of almost the entirety of the Imperial fleets to the Core is what ultimately caused the Civil War with Trioculus and the Committee of Grand Moffs. The implications are that Isard thought SOMETHING destroyed the Black Fleet so I can't imagine a better canidate than a civil war with the Regional Governors. Plus, we know that the Corellian Sector had direct fighting between two Grand Admirals so at least their fleets were involved in full scale war. There were also plenty of warlords that just randomly started attacking each other. Moff Prentioch didn't wait until Palpatine's body was cold until he actually just started attacking Imperial Sectors neighboring him, taking over two or three for nothing more than conquest. My take on the matter is that the planets 'abandoned' by the Empire set their financial and physical resources behind the Rebellion and thus drastically expanded their fleets enough that the weakened empire could be taken over. Let's not forget that it was just days prior to the Battle of Endor that the Empire finally won a lengthy Civil War against the Forces of Grand Admiral Zaarin.
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Ris_jSarek Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 9/8/06 4:03pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed? - Date Edited: 9/8/06 4:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Ris_jSarek
	GrandAdmiralJello posted: That didn't really happen 'til after Imperial Center fell, though. There were only a few warlord regimes around before then--Zsinj, Terradoc, Harrsk, Kaine, Drommel--they're all that come to mind. Captain Iolan Gendarr, Moff Par Lankin, Grand Admirals Pitta and Grunger, ("Superior") General Delvardus . . . there's no shortage of breakaway warlords before the fall of Coruscant. EDIT: Prentioch. HE'S the one I was trying to remember to add to this list, but couldn't. And how could I forget Trioculus and the Central Committee, as well as the false Prophets? -----signature----- http://churchofbrad.com/jsarek/ Proud recipient of Halagad_Ventor's MOO (Master of Obscurity) Award, Brett_Bass's Spiffy Crown™, and Thrawn McEwok's "Ohh...? Interesting..." Award™
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 4:07pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed? - Date Edited: 9/8/06 4:12pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	Ris_jSarek posted: And how could I forget Trioculus and the Central Committee, as well as the false Prophets? It's actually one of those odd things. Why do people consider Pestage and the Core World bureaucrats the 'real' Empire? As far as I'm concerned, their only claim to legitimacy was the equivalent of holding Washington D.C. Pestage was Palpatine's SECRETARY for crying out loud. Edit: What's really interesting is how HIGH UP the warlords are. These are vital parts of the Imperial government that broke away. If a Grand Moff is treated as equivalent to a US state governor, you've got 7 or 8 States that have broken away.
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Ris_jSarek Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 9/8/06 5:00pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Charlemagne19 posted: It's actually one of those odd things. Why do people consider Pestage and the Core World bureaucrats the 'real' Empire? As far as I'm concerned, their only claim to legitimacy was the equivalent of holding Washington D.C. Well, that's a pretty big thing. It's hard for us to imagine since our government has carefully laid out rules for succession, but in a world without that, holding on to the capitol and the organs of government probably goes a LONG way, especially when we realize what a symbol of legitimacy Coruscant is. Charlemagne19 posted: Pestage was Palpatine's SECRETARY for crying out loud. He was a lot more than that; he was the Grand Vizier, the man who'd been running most of the day-to-day affairs of the Empire for years, and the face of the Empire to many. Charlemagne19 posted: Edit: What's really interesting is how HIGH UP the warlords are. These are vital parts of the Imperial government that broke away. If a Grand Moff is treated as equivalent to a US state governor, you've got 7 or 8 States that have broken away. Indeed. Even if we assume the Grand Moffs weren't able to completely bring their Oversectors with them, they're still a major breakaway faction, and only serve to demonstrate how severe the fragmentation was after Endor, even before the fall of Coruscant. -----signature----- http://churchofbrad.com/jsarek/ Proud recipient of Halagad_Ventor's MOO (Master of Obscurity) Award, Brett_Bass's Spiffy Crown™, and Thrawn McEwok's "Ohh...? Interesting..." Award™
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 5:37pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	I think that the most likely explanation for the Empire's defragmentation is the fact that the Imperial Senate is the only body with authority to elect a New Emperor and that had only been "temporarily suspended." In actuality, by the time they needed a new Emperor, the idea of turning to the Senate was a joke.
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Jodus Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 9/8/06 6:18pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Wasn't the senate disbanded though? Making there no actual body of authority that could vote/declare a new emperor. Aside from the Moffs (good luck seeing them all get along), the only group I remember seeing like that was the Interim Ruling Council in CE. That worked out fine, aside from Kanos and Nom Anor killing members, until Carivus took over totally. That was the problem with the Empire when Palps was gone, there was no clear defined successor. Pestage probably had the best position, but if he couldnt hold sway with the warlords, admirals and other power players that were left after Endor (which incidentally he didnt, well the Clone didnt) it would lead to another big power struggle (and it did). Isards "regency" of the Empire was to hopefully delay the decay that was caused by the power struggles. She knew she had the respect and fear of the common Imperial to lead them, but she was doing it to cause damage to the Rebels. She was only holding her place to keep others out of it, perhaps awaiting Palps return? -----signature----- Adm.W.Janson: "Doomsday device you say? Now the ball's in Palpatine's court. I suppose I could part with one of them and still be feared..."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 6:19pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	I think Isard actually declared herself Emperor, ditto Pestage. And the Senate had been disbanded in reality but had only been suspended in legality.
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Thanos6 Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 9/8/06 6:30pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	So did Trioculus and the fake Kadann. -----signature----- New Spoiler Policy--TFN's All Time 2nd Dumbest Rule Jag/Zekk shipper...yes, seriously Anakin Skywalker-- not redeemed In my canon, EU trumps the prequels... And GL has no control over SW anymore
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