Jedi Council Forums - Osvald Teshik......framed?

Locked Topic | Read Only Topic | Previous Active Topic | Next Active Topic

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 - Previous | Next | Reload

Author	Topic: Osvald Teshik......framed?
GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 8:10pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Pestage did not declare himself Galactic Emperor, though he certainly adopted some sort of regency position--he was described as seated on the throne, for example. The implication is rather clear. Likewise for Isard--who we know was "[Empress] in all but name." She did not take the imperial title, but was described as holding the throne in stewardship for the Emperor. jSarek: There were plenty who went independant, certainly--but there weren't as many actively campaigning for control of the galaxy is what I meant. Most of the Rim assets were only Imperial in name soon after Endor, but they weren't fighting for the throne. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 8:15pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	GrandAdmiralJello posted: jSarek: There were plenty who went independant, certainly--but there weren't as many actively campaigning for control of the galaxy is what I meant. Most of the Rim assets were only Imperial in name soon after Endor, but they weren't fighting for the throne. I think its questionable where the difference lies in terms of an Imperial Civil War where one party actively wars on the remnants of the Empire for control. In which case, Grand Moff Kaine is off the list while Prentioch isn't. Both can nevertheless divert valuable military resources.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Lord_Hydronium Title: Literature Gardener Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 9/8/06 8:48pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed? - Date Edited: 9/8/06 8:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
	GrandAdmiralJello posted: Likewise for Isard--who we know was "[Empress] in all but name." She did not take the imperial title, but was described as holding the throne in stewardship for the Emperor. Evil Never Dies actually does call her "Empress Ysanne Isard". -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 8:53pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Much like real history. Much information is contradictory.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 9:29pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Lord_Hydronium posted: GrandAdmiralJello posted: Likewise for Isard--who we know was "[Empress] in all but name." She did not take the imperial title, but was described as holding the throne in stewardship for the Emperor. Evil Never Dies actually does call her "Empress Ysanne Isard". Blech. I hate glaring contradictions. Do you have a pertinent quote? I'd like to see the context, if at all possible. Hopefully it's not just mentioning her in passing. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Lord_Hydronium Title: Literature Gardener Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 9/8/06 10:01pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed? - Date Edited: 9/8/06 10:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
	It's only in one sentence: Thus, it was easy for [Carnor] Jax to transfer allegiance from Palpatine to his successor Sate Pestage, then again to Empress Ysanne Isard. -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 10:12pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	I think the implications are from Stackpole's writing that she was never "truly' Empress.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 10:48pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Ugh, so it is in passing. Joy. But yeah, the back cover of one of the books (I think Wedge's Gamble) calls her Emperor in all but name, and the briefing in the beginning about her command on Coruscant says the same thing. Now we have to find a way to explain this. Ugh. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 10:50pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	GrandAdmiralJello posted: Ugh, so it is in passing. Joy. But yeah, the back cover of one of the books (I think Wedge's Gamble) calls her Emperor in all but name, and the briefing in the beginning about her command on Coruscant says the same thing. Now we have to find a way to explain this. Ugh. It's a figure of speach. Done.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/8/06 11:15pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Well, fine, we could go with the "let's just ignore it" road. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 9/9/06 9:30am Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	GrandAdmiralJello posted: :p Well, fine, we could go with the "let's just ignore it" road. Well, we could just chalk it up to being a "unofficial" title that the High Command and Imperial military called her during her tenure as leader of the Empire. I really doubt that they had a coronation ceremony or anything like that. --Adm. Nick -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
RogueWompRat Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 9/9/06 1:31pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Excellence posted: There's thousands of words in eng; alternating another is easy as disliking dwarfs. But I shouldn't have to. If people are offended by an acronym they have some stuff to sort out. -----signature----- "the Force is between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere..."
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/9/06 2:38pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	Nick: A title that 'someone' called her, anyway. High Command and the rest of the military (since ImpIntel is described as a branch of the armed forces in ISB) hated her guts. For good reason, I think. RWR: Yeah, but that's not up to us. Or even the mods, for that matter. It's one of the things that the site owner himself decided, and whatever his reasons, the site is his private property. I'm sure I don't need to explain to you how corporate ventures work and the like. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 9/10/06 4:51am Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	A true aluminium is flexible for the shape, not rigid, RogueWampRat. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Halagad_Ventor Title: - Star Wars Author - SWRPG Designer Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 9/28/06 3:50pm Subject: RE: Osvald Teshik......framed?
	This thread was a nice surprise. Thank goodness for Wookieepedia! johnthejedi24, You're right about Osvald Teshik, or at least, I created his backstory trying to invoke the sense of injustice you felt. I wanted to present a "good" Imperial, since we rarely see any of those, and when we do they almost always end up "seeing the error of their ways" and joining the Rebellion, or something silly like that. I think that motif is silly, or at least its frequency is, because the mind of a strong-willed or fully-developed (i.e. older) person more readily resorts to justifying one's chosen path than it does to rejecting it and suddenly jumping ship. Which is to say, Charlemagne's point is just as valid: we only get the good parts of Teshik's life, the sympathetic parts. Perhaps he did commit some atrocities (from the New Republic point of view), perhaps Teshik committed them with the belief he was doing the right thing, or choosing a lesser evil for the greater good (i.e. Teshik himself does not see them as atrocities). We don't know what those "atrocities" were, of course. Maybe the New Republic was just dead wrong, in which case, did they execute Teshik knowing he was innocent of the scope of the accusations, or did they actually believe it? I find a hard time believing Leia (at her age at that point in time) would go with the flow of a mock-trial, though Mon Mothma as depicted in the Dark Forces books is one ruthless madam. Right and wrong is important to talk about and define, but difficult, even impossible or nonsensical, to do in a way that is meaningful and not merely practical. Teshik's story was meant to be an example of this. Insight into that break down of meaning is arguably the source of Teshik's "insane" laughter. Take care, Abel -----signature----- Abel G. Peña: http://www.abelgpena.com Star Wars Blog: http://blogs.starwars.com/abelgpena Facebook Profile: http://www.facebook.com/abelgpena Second Prophet of the Church of Waru Recipient of a monstrosity known as a Mandalorian Ewok™
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 - Previous | Next | Reload