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Randy_Stradley  236 posts
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Date Posted: 3/7/07 2:33pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
Take note, everyone: Rogue77 doesn't like the vaguely possible situation speculated on by Boba Matt.




We now return you to discussion of the actual events in the issue. whistling

 

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JEDI-KILLER_17  453 posts
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Date Posted: 3/7/07 2:38pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
I wonder if we'll see anymore about the Wheel. It seems to be inspired by the "Errant Venture".

 

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Date Posted: 3/7/07 2:41pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
Rouge77 posted:
- Veed: "A Skywalker, eh? I thought they all died on Ossus." - They all? Not just Kol...in fact, it would seem from the phrase "the all" that several more than Kol were present. Lots of new Skywalkers.

I hope they just mean Kol and Cade. If Cade´s mom, grandparents or great-grandparents would have died there, it should have been shown and it should have affected his character. plain An uncle or aunt who would have died off-screen would be more understandable. I just hope that they do not make it so that a large number of the Skywalkers would have died there. worried It would make everything that happens before Legacy very bleak. frustrated All that happens in LotF and beyond it would just be a slow march towards this massacre. I do not like it at all. sad
Well, from what we've seen so far I don't put much credence in anything that Moff Veed says.

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Rouge77  7450 posts
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Date Posted: 3/7/07 2:44pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2) - Date Edited: 3/7/07 2:44pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rouge77
Yes, I do not like the possibility at all. angry If there is this big family of Skywalkers before the Massacre of Ossus, and Cade is the only survivor, then what point there is for anything that happens to them in the previous decades? We know how the story will end, they will all die except Cade, so why should we care about what they do or what happens to them before the Massacre? The future is set, death is waiting them all, nothing can be done to change it. sad

 

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Rouge77  7450 posts
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Date Posted: 3/7/07 2:53pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2) - Date Edited: 3/7/07 2:53pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rouge77
Well, from what we've seen so far I don't put much credence in anything that Moff Veed says.

I hope that you are correct. praying

 

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Date Posted: 3/7/07 3:00pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
Rouge77 posted:
Yes, I do not like the possibility at all. angry If there is this big family of Skywalkers before the Massacre of Ossus, and Cade is the only survivor, then what point there is for anything that happens to them in the previous decades? We know how the story will end, they will all die except Cade, so why should we care about what they do or what happens to them before the Massacre? The future is set, death is waiting them all, nothing can be done to change it. sad

Yeah, because knowing that Winston Churchill dies in 1965 makes his whole life totally boring. We know how it comes out.

Knowing that Anakin would fall to the dark side -- God, it made the prequels totally bereft of value.

Knowing that Exar Kun wouldn't rule the galaxy for a billion years made TOTJ a total waste.

Man, after I saw Qui-Gon die in Episode I, I was totally uninterested in the prequel material featuring him.

Ben Kenobi dies on the Death Star. Enough with all these books about him. We all know how it comes out. How pointless.

 

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Rouge77  7450 posts
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Date Posted: 3/7/07 3:14pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
We are not talking here about the fate of single person, most of whom had a huge impact on real or imagined worlds before they died. Instead, let´s take the novel "The Family Moscat" by the late Nobel Prize winner Isaac Bashevits Singer as an example what I mean. It is a family epic about a Polish-Jewish family that spans decades and ends in World War II. Main characters are left alive when the novel ends. But the reader knows what will almost certainly happen to them. Same would hold true for the adventures of Skywalkers in the decades prior to the attack on Ossus.

It is a totally different thing if you kill an entire family that spans many generations, cutting lives short, than when an accomplished person like Winston Churchill dies in an extreme old age. And even if we would follow his story from let´s say his participation from the war in Sudan in 1898 onwards - knowing his eventual fate, but nothing of what will happen between - the story itself would not be spoiled. And as we would know that in the end he will not be murdered with almost all of his relatives sharing his fate, his story would not be meaningless. We would know that everything he tries to achieve would not be in vain.

What comes to Exar Kun, yes, he could not have win, but the ending to the story of Ulic Qel-Droma, the real main character, was open. His story could have had many different kinds of endings. The comparison would only be true if Redemption would have been the first of the TOTJ series featuring him to be published.

 

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Date Posted: 3/7/07 3:29pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
Yet dying does not make everything a person has done be in vain. Obi-Wan died in the Galactic Civil War! His efforts in preventing the invasion of Naboo have been rendered in vain! Saving that senator's life was pointless! The thousands of people whose lives he saved, the hundreds of crises he averted -- IN VAIN! HE DIED! IF YOU DIE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE INVALID! YOUR LIFE STORY IS FUTILE AND HOPELESS!

 

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Date Posted: 3/7/07 3:46pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2) - Date Edited: 3/7/07 3:47pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
JEDI-KILLER_17 posted:
I wonder if we'll see anymore about the Wheel. It seems to be inspired by the "Errant Venture".


The Wheel originated in the Marvel comics (where it was run by Senator Simon Greyshade, who later appeared earlier in the timeline in Republic's "Honor & Duty" story arc and whose speeder was borrowed by Anakin in AOTC to chase Zam) and later in Republic #49: Sacrifice.

So, if anything, the Errant Venture was inspired by the Wheel (though I think it's pretty safe to say there was no direct line of inspiration between the two, and the the similarities between the two are few enough that their differences render them distinct from one another).

 

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Date Posted: 3/7/07 3:57pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
BobaMatt posted:
- Fel: "But, after all, Sia is my daughter. People will understand." - I'm pretty sure Jan and Jon are just writing for Charles, now.


*Waits for Chuck to play the "He can spin a bad situation into a good one by convincingly lying to the public! That makes him just like Palpatine! Fel still = Antichrist!" card*

 

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Date Posted: 3/7/07 3:58pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
So, do we get a GA logo or what?

 

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JEDI-KILLER_17  453 posts
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Date Posted: 3/7/07 3:59pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
Thanks Quest, I had no idea it had been mentioned before. But after reading Exile, big ships transformed into casinos was fresh in my mind.

 

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AdmiralNick22  6913 posts
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Date Posted: 3/7/07 4:30pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2) - Date Edited: 3/7/07 5:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: AdmiralNick22
I think that Legacy #9 was awesome. Below are some highlights that made the issue:

Hosk Trey'lis makes an appearance. It is hard to see a Jedi healer tortured like that. Loved the artwork on those new interrogation droids. Sinister and evil like the old ones from A New Hope, but with a new look.

The Veed-Calixte scence was short but well written. Veed is obviously very dependant on his lover to maintain his powerbase. Kinda makes you wonder what would happen to him if Calixte abandoned him or was killed... wink

Fel chewing Draco and Ganner out was fun. The Emperor definately laid the smack down. I loved the whisper in Draco's ear- "You can forget about marrying my daughter"

Admiral Gar Stazi- uber cool Alliance admiral. Apparently he was the fleet commander at Caamas- which makes him a very probable Supreme Commander. (Unconfirmed, buy likely). We also learn that Caamas was not a total victory for Veed- Stazi maintained a "fighting withdrawl" and kept his surviving ships together. Since then, his fleet has served as the remnant of the Galactic Alliance, engaged in hit and run attacks on Krayt's Empire.

I liked how Bovark told Stazi "You're a legend among us". Looks like I may have found my Ackbar-esque character in Legacy! grin

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No GA symbol yet. I am hoping that we see one soon. I think Randy said somewhere that they had not developed one yet, but that he might mention it to Jan and John.

Overall, I loved the comic.

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 3/7/07 5:01pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2) - Date Edited: 3/7/07 5:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BobaMatt
Rouge77 posted:
Yes, I do not like the possibility at all. angry If there is this big family of Skywalkers before the Massacre of Ossus, and Cade is the only survivor, then what point there is for anything that happens to them in the previous decades? We know how the story will end, they will all die except Cade, so why should we care about what they do or what happens to them before the Massacre? The future is set, death is waiting them all, nothing can be done to change it. sad

...are you serious?

Let's not publish anymore stories about Jedi pre-ANH because it's all just a slow march to Operation: Knightfall. Nothing Revan, the Exile, Memmit Nadill, Odan-Urr, Qui-Gon Jinn, or Jocasta Nu ever did in their entire lives matters because of the Jedi Purge. Let's not write post-LotF stories fleshing out these possible Skywalkers because they die anyway. For that matter, lets not here about what Kol did before the Ossus Massacre.
AdmiralNick22 posted:
Hosk Trey'lis makes an appearance. It is hard to see a Jedi healer tortured like that. Loved the artwork on those new interrogation droids. Sinister and evil like the old ones from A New Hope, but with a new look.

How exactly did she break him so utterly? I want some background on Hosk. From his introduction, he's been awfully jittery and weak willed for a Jedi. Sounds to me like the return of the Sith may have driven someone a little loco.
AdmiralNick22 posted:
The Veed-Calixte scence was short but well written. Veed is obviously very dependant on his lover to maintain his powerbase. Kinda makes you wonder what would happen to him if Calixte abandoned him or was killed... wink

Calixte = Lady Macbeth. wink
AdmiralNick22 posted:
Fel chewing Draco and Ganner out was fun. The Emperor definately laid the smack down. I loved the whisper in Draco's ear- "You can forget about marrying my daughter"

Suuuuuuuuuuuuch a well done scene.
AdmiralNick22 posted:
Admiral Gar Stazi- uber cool Alliance admiral. Apparently he was the fleet commander at Caamas- which makes him a very probable Supreme Commander. (Unconfirmed, buy likely).

Whether he was then or not, Bovark's remarks make it clear he is now.
AdmiralNick22 posted:
We also learn that Caamas was not a total victory for Veed- Stazi maintained a "fighting withdrawl" and kep his surviving shisp together. Since then, his fleet has served as the remnant of the Galactic Alliance, engaged in hit and run attacks on Krayt's Empire.

Veed in Legacy #8: "To prevent further loss of life on all sides, I have accepted te surrender of the Fleet Commander of the Galactic Alliance. All ships are to stand down and await further instructions."

What's going on here? Was Veed lying to Fel? Did Stazi lie to Veed about surrendering, and then run? Did Stazi find Veed's "further instructions" unacceptable, and retreat? Was Stazi perhaps promoted due the post-surrender death of his immediate superior?
AdmiralNick22 posted:
No GA symbol yet. I am hoping that we see one soon. I think Randy said somewhere that they had not developed one yet, but that he might mention it to Jan and John.

This is something they're really going to have to go to the mat with LFL for...

 

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Date Posted: 3/7/07 5:02pm Subject: RE: Legacy #9: Trust Issues, part 1 (of 2)
This was another good star wars comic. I like the wider view of the galaxy yhat we've been getting in the last few issues.

 

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