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Raithnor Malstromm Registered: Jan '99	Date Posted: 11/9/06 10:33pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	I hate to burst your bubble but Revan was in issue #9. He/She was the mysterious cloaked figure that talked with the council before Lucien and Friends. What I think you were seeing was Revan's appeal to the Jedi Council before going off on his/her crusade with Malak. That also adds to the irony of Lucien's actions: He creates an enemy in Zayne which might be his downfall and also walks by the person the seers are looking for.
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SuperSaiyaMan12 Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 11/10/06 5:16am Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	Raithnor Malstromm posted: I hate to burst your bubble but Revan was in issue #9. He/She was the mysterious cloaked figure that talked with the council before Lucien and Friends. What I think you were seeing was Revan's appeal to the Jedi Council before going off on his/her crusade with Malak. That also adds to the irony of Lucien's actions: He creates an enemy in Zayne which might be his downfall and also walks by the person the seers are looking for. Revan is canonically Male, you know that, right?
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XPRaider Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 11/10/06 12:31pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	Besides which, there is little evidence of that person being Revan. Granted the fight against the Mandalorians and disobeying the council fits in, but that also fits in with the Exile and several other jedi who followed Revan to war. I suppose that could be Revan, but there's not really that much backing it up. I'll admit my theory is only a theory with some speculation, but we really can't be sure until we see either overwhelming evidence to that fact or someone calls one of them or even someone else Revan. For all I really know Zayne's story might just tie into Revan's similar to how the Exile was tied to Revan's legacy. But as far as I can tell right now we have 2 possible characters who could be Revan, Zayne and that cloaked figure.
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/10/06 12:45pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	Erm, no. Zayne cannot possibly be Revan. None of his history fits Revan's - at all. Which makes him not Revan. Revan could be the character in the council meeting, but his words to Lucien also don't sound like the sort of thing Revan would be saying at this point in his journey. I think we ought to wait and see. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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XPRaider Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 11/10/06 1:26pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	Master_Keralys posted: Erm, no. Zayne cannot possibly be Revan. None of his history fits Revan's - at all. Which makes him not Revan. Revan could be the character in the council meeting, but his words to Lucien also don't sound like the sort of thing Revan would be saying at this point in his journey. I think we ought to wait and see. - Keralys Erm, well. Considering that at this point in time in the comics, this IS Revan's history, and the way that many things in Star Wars can be true 'from a certain point of view', I'm still just not willing to rule it out. I'm not saying for sure that he is, I'm saying the possibility exists. If Zayne has some sort of connection to HK-47, and if he has a real big problem with what the Mandalorians are doing, and if he is trained by Krynda (assuming she is Kreia), and if his true gift in the force comes out. Then if he decides to change his name to Revan then from a certain point of view, Kreia would have been Revan's first master and he would have been a highly gifted padawan who could then go on to lead the fight against the Mandalorians. Does this make him Revan? Right now I'd say it's doubtful considering the 'ifs' required to make it work along with having to view it from a certain point of view. This is Star Wars which has a history of throwing out weird things that normally don't seem like they could possibly be connected and the chances of that happening are remote. I mean afterall, from a certain point of view Darth Vader betrayed and killed Anakin Skywalker, Luke and Leia just happen to be brother and sister, Darth Plageius just happened to be working on a way to create life through the Force, and of course Yoda was the jedi who taught Obi-Wan, but then again so was Qui-Gon Jinn. Oh and C-3PO was built by a young Anakin and R2D2 was owned by Queen Amidala, and after having been bought and sold several times just happened to end up back with Luke and Leia. And that's just things that happen in the 6 films that would have to rely on ifs and certain points of views. In my opinion at least, it's way too early to throw away various theories. Is the robed figure Revan? Possibly. Is Lucien Scion? Possibly. Is Krynda Kreia? Possibly. Is there an off possibilty that the main character from the KOTOR comics is also the main character from the video games? Possibly. So far we haven't heard anything about anyone named Revan, meaning he might exist or he might not exist, yet. As for Revan being his true name. I don't recall seeing that stated anywhere in the games. Revan was the name he was using while a Jedi, but that doesn't mean that was his birth name. The only non-name changing thing that existed was that he didn't change his name from Revan to Darth 'something else', but kept the name Revan. Which doesn't mean that that was his original name.
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cbagmjg Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 11/10/06 4:40pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	I have speculated alot on these boards and have never really guaranteed anything, though have came close. But then here's this. Right now Zayne is a character that's being drug into this conflict because of the situation on Taris. And if you look at the upcoming issue previews, he still is on the run even after this upcoming issue. Revan on the other hand, chose to not only become a part of the war, but lead it from a Jedi perspective as well. His followers are following him. And it's already in motion as you can see from previous issues. So I guarantee that he is not Revan. If he is, I promise never to post on these boards ever again. Not because it would outrage me, but because that's how confident I am. That's a promise.
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Winged_Jedi Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 11/10/06 4:57pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	With every issue it becomes less and less likely that Zayne is Revan. But at this stage it is still not impossible. Highly improbable, yes. But not impossible. In my opinion, the big character revelation(s) are almost certain to be Nihilus and/or Sion. -----signature----- "Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit, because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure." -Tacitus
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Raithnor Malstromm Registered: Jan '99	Date Posted: 11/10/06 10:24pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	XPRaider posted: Besides which, there is little evidence of that person being Revan. Granted the fight against the Mandalorians and disobeying the council fits in, but that also fits in with the Exile and several other jedi who followed Revan to war. I suppose that could be Revan, but there's not really that much backing it up. I'll admit my theory is only a theory with some speculation, but we really can't be sure until we see either overwhelming evidence to that fact or someone calls one of them or even someone else Revan. For all I really know Zayne's story might just tie into Revan's similar to how the Exile was tied to Revan's legacy. But as far as I can tell right now we have 2 possible characters who could be Revan, Zayne and that cloaked figure. I didn't get the memo that Revan's officially a guy, but I've been out of circulation for a while. I think this is what you call a "tell", an oblique reference that usually gets overlooked on the first pass and only makes sense after the rest of story plays out. If it isn't Revan, than the discussion of "Revanchism" doesn't have the same impact. It could be that the Jedi that became Revan only adopted the name when he broke with the Jedi council and went to war, adding "Darth" to the name after the war when he thought it was necessary to forge a Sith Empire out of the Republic. As for it being the Exile, the Exile was a follower of Revan after Revan broke with the council. Although the Exile was one of Revan's better generals up until Malachor V. At this point in time the only person really pushing the council for action against the Mandalorians is Revan.
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/11/06 12:04am Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	I agree there's a good chance the cloaked figure is Revan - at least, compared to everyone else we've met so far. I also will stand on the fact that it's impossible for Zayne to be Revan. I don't care how you want to try to make it fit, we have OOU sources and way too many IU sources that make it abundantly clear that Revan was an insanely talented padawan from the time his training started. Moreover, if he had changed his name, some would call him by one name, others by another - it would at least be alluded to. Give it up. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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XPRaider Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 11/11/06 1:04am Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	I'm not saying Zayne is Revan. I'm saying it is possible. As I stated in my last post there several instances in the Star Wars materials of variations to the same stories when told by 2 authors or over 2 mediums, i.e. continuity conflict which then has to be explained away. Most recently is the book Darth Bane: Path of Destruction. From what I understand the book states that Githany died at a different time than she did in the comics, and I believe there was an issue with whether they ran into Tomcat or not. Originally in Splinter's of the Mind's Eye, Luke supposedly cut off Vader's last remaining organic limb, was was then shown to be wrong by Episode 3. And at this point it's hard to say that Zayne isn't powerful in the force and hasn't been that way for a while. There's some issue about his powers in the force that haven't been revealed yet. He certainly hasn't shown any natural aptitude in the Force, but apparently Lucien wasn't able to train Zayne in the way he needed to be trained. If Zayne is indeed supposed to be a Sith Lord and the master's interpreted their dream correctly, then if he is one of the known Lords, he is either Revan, Scion, Malak, or Nihilus. I doubt Scion or Malak, he doesn't seem to have the build for either of them. He could be Nihilus, which is the most likely probability. But like I said, I can still see him being Revan and Squint being Malak (now that's he's bald). Both are about to face the horrors that the Mandalorians have been putting the Jedi through, and there is still about a year before the Mandalorian Wars start and Revan won't become involved in it until later into the war.
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cbagmjg Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 11/11/06 8:35am Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	Who's to say that Zayne will become a sith lord. Visions aren't necessarily exact. The Splinter of the Mind's Eye was way before Episode 3 and George Lucas is the creator of Star War's, so he'll change what he wants. Hell, the Episode 3 book is different from the movie, but the story is primarily the same. And I say this, Revan=Zayne=impossible.
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Son_Of_Skywalker15 Registered: Oct '06	Date Posted: 11/11/06 11:51am Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	Reading the Knights Of The Old Republic Comics, I think we see Revan. In issue #9, there is a Jedi that leaves as the 5 murderous Jedi enter. He is wearing a hood, and is being yelled at for scouting and getting involved. I think he, the hooded man, is Revan. -----signature----- Andrew L: EUCantina.net Founder/PR EUCast Co-Host SW Gaming Now Host HUGE SW Fan
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/11/06 2:21pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan - Date Edited: 11/11/06 2:43pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Keralys
	You're a little behind. We've only been speculating that for a week and a half already. EDIT - and welcome to the boards; I've only seen you around for a little while. The harassment is meant in a friendly way. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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XPRaider Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 11/11/06 11:28pm Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	cbagmjg posted: Who's to say that Zayne will become a sith lord. Visions aren't necessarily exact. The Splinter of the Mind's Eye was way before Episode 3 and George Lucas is the creator of Star War's, so he'll change what he wants. Hell, the Episode 3 book is different from the movie, but the story is primarily the same. And I say this, Revan=Zayne=impossible. Yes I know. Like I said, assuming the vision was correct. They could very well have gotten it wrong. And my point about Splinter of the Mind's Eye was just to give an example of something in one comic that is interpreted to be true at the time until something else comes along and says otherwise, which either changes it or adds onto it. Such as the inclusion of Qui-Gon Jin, who is only seen after the first 3 movies were made. When Obi-Wan told Luke that Yoda was the master that trained him in ESB, he wasn't lying or wrong. But apparently he was not bothering to mention Qui-Gon since explaining his history in detail wasn't that neccessary. I'm still going to have to say Revan=Zayne= Improbable.
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cbagmjg Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 11/12/06 1:00am Subject: RE: The Origins of Darth Revan
	Yeah, it probably is more improbable than anything, but to me it's impossible. As far as we know right now Sion, I mean Lucien, has always been Zayne's master. And Revan's first and last master(according to KOTOR 2) was Kreia. Zayne's a clutz, though he's toughening as we speak. And Revan hasn't had one knock against him yet other than he was headstrong and impatient, which it seems most young Jedi are. All i'm saying is a lot has to change for Zayne to even be mentioned in the same sentence as Revan. I doubt JJM's protagonist is going to be a character that barely has a gender, let alone a face. Personally it wouldn't bother me. Though i'd prefer Revan to be a badass character that has it all together, rather than a clutz whose always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Still it seems like the force watches out for him. But XP, i'm glad that there's someone who atleast seems to enjoy the games like I do. Most people want to talk about Legacy it seems these days. As if we haven't heard enough about the Skywalkers. Not that I don't like it. I just like something fresh that's in a whole new era. And that just happens to be the era of the 2003 game of the year!
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