Author Topic: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
BobaMatt 
Title: TFN EU Staff
Registered: Aug '02
47935_Luke Skywalker - Dark Side
Date Posted: 1/2/07 10:38pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Charlemagne19 posted:
Ulicus posted:

Nah... my intuition says that he *will* be Nihilus. wink If they really wanted to go their own way completely, why bother setting it in that period at all?


Why not? Another reason is that it's underdeveloped to the point that they could set up their own hero without stepping on the toes of the overstretched continuity of the Galactic Civil War period which lends itself better to my theory.

...while at the same time, there's a rich enough little universe built in this era to serve as a firm, established foundation.

 

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Charlemagne19 
Registered: Jul '00
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Date Posted: 1/2/07 10:43pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
BobaMatt posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:
Ulicus posted:

Nah... my intuition says that he *will* be Nihilus. wink If they really wanted to go their own way completely, why bother setting it in that period at all?


Why not? Another reason is that it's underdeveloped to the point that they could set up their own hero without stepping on the toes of the overstretched continuity of the Galactic Civil War period which lends itself better to my theory.

...while at the same time, there's a rich enough little universe built in this era to serve as a firm, established foundation.


Also true.

 

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cbagmjg 
Registered: Jul '06
41233_Darth Nihilus
Date Posted: 1/3/07 5:57pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Disagree all you want, but there will be game Darths(it's been discussed by the man himself) in this series, and it will be shown how they became to be. And if he does become Nihilus, JJM will wait until the very end to disclose it for the fact that it'll ruin all the mystery of Zayne's character, which we'd already know he gets killed by a nameless(yet very powerful)character.

 

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Charlemagne19 
Registered: Jul '00
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Date Posted: 1/3/07 5:59pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
cbagmjg posted:
Disagree all you want, but there will be game Darths(it's been discussed by the man himself) in this series, and it will be shown how they became to be. And if he does become Nihilus, JJM will wait until the very end to disclose it for the fact that it'll ruin all the mystery of Zayne's character, which we'd already know he gets killed by a nameless(yet very powerful)character.


What gives you the idea that they'll reveal Sion and Nihilus to be anything?

For all we know, Nihilus will show up in full mask.

Like I said, it's poor storytelling in my opinion. Your mileage may vary. I'd much prefer a Happily Ever After for Zayne.

 

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cbagmjg 
Registered: Jul '06
41233_Darth Nihilus
Date Posted: 1/3/07 6:12pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Like I said before, JJM specifically says that there are characters now that aren't who they will be later, which Darth was one description he gave. I have never said that Zayne will be Nihilus or they will show the becomings of Sion. But if what JJM says is true, which the word of the writer is the hardest thing to dispute, then he would show how they became. He could always mean Revan and Malak as well, so it's not just the one's from KOTOR 2. Though it seems like alot of the story has spoke of the second game. And if it's true that they planned on doing Nihilus's backstory, then it would just up the chances.

 

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webhead101 
Registered: Jan '07
Date Posted: 1/29/07 4:24am Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Alek is Malak, the unknown hooded jedi is revan, and zayne is the exile. done.

 

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Sikon 
Registered: Mar '06
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 5:03am Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
The Unknown Hooded Jedi is most probably Revan, but I'm not so sure about Alek. And Zayne can't be Exile unless he undergoes a sex change operation, and even then, there are simply too many discrepancies between them for this theory to be even remotely plausible.

- Adam, what myth are we testing today?
- Oh, you'll like this one, Jamie. There are rumors that Zayne Carrick is going to become the nameless protagonist of the second KOTOR game, who is canonically female and called the Jedi Exile!
- Well, I don't think we even need any comments here. Busted!
- Totally busted!

 

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Ulicus 
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 5:43am Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point? - Date Edited: 1/29/07 5:48am (1 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Sikon posted:
The Unknown Hooded Jedi is most probably Revan

I hope so, because then there's the possible implication that Revan is already a Sith Lord (probably in the Jacen Solo sense at that point)... think about what Raana Tey says shortly after the Tarisian Masters' meeting with Council:

"A Sith Lord could stand right in front of them and they'd lecture him about neutrality"

And who was it they were lecturing about neutrality and non-interference just before the Tarisian masters went before them? wink

 

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Kaje 
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 5:49am Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
I doubt that means Revan is a Sith already. More likely it's just another winknudge moment, like revanchism. It's a hint to the hooded figure's identity, but there's no real reason to for him to be a Dark Lord already.

 

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Ulicus 
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 5:56am Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Kaje posted:
I doubt that means Revan is a Sith already. More likely it's just another winknudge moment, like revanchism. It's a hint to the hooded figure's identity, but there's no real reason to for him to be a Dark Lord already.

True enough - but I always preferred the idea that Revan had been a Sith Lord in secret from the very start of the Mandalorian Wars, it makes him more devious and Kreia DID say that Revan used the Mandalorian Wars to hide/mask his true war, the "war of conversion".

It doesn't clash with the idea of someone who was willing to go to war to save others - he can be a Sith Lord with good motivations that get twisted after all.

I'm also kinda semi-hoping that they maybe/possibly retcon Kreia as already being Darth Traya in secret at this point to. It makes more sense for Revan to go to his "first master to learn how to leave the Jedi forever" if she was already a Sith... though it's obviously not neccessary.

 

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Havac 
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Registered: Sep '05
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 11:31am Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Sikon posted:
The Unknown Hooded Jedi is most probably Revan, but I'm not so sure about Alek. And Zayne can't be Exile unless he undergoes a sex change operation, and even then, there are simply too many discrepancies between them for this theory to be even remotely plausible.

- Adam, what myth are we testing today?
- Oh, you'll like this one, Jamie. There are rumors that Zayne Carrick is going to become the nameless protagonist of the second KOTOR game, who is canonically female and called the Jedi Exile!
- Alright, how are we going to test this?
- We'll be taking five thousand copies of KOTOR II, running them over with steamrollers, shooting them, setting them on fire, and blowing them up. We'll see if that can change canon so that this myth can be true.
- You're not serious, Adam?
- No, I just wanted an excuse to destroy stuff.
- Fair enough, let's go for it.

Fixed.

 

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Mark686 
Registered: Aug '01
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 1:12pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
I just read Commencement for the first time 2 days ago and it was awesome. I dont think Zayne Should become dark. In the end, it would be foolish for those pompous, murdering masters to be right.

 

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dizfactor 
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 1:14pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Mark686 posted:
I just read Commencement for the first time 2 days ago and it was awesome. I dont think Zayne Should become dark. In the end, it would be foolish for those pompous, murdering masters to be right.


They wouldn't be right, they would have set in motion the very events they were trying to prevent, Oedipus-style.

 

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Mark686 
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 1:55pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Yeah i know. But from their point of view, and possibly everyone else's, it would seem like they were right and tried to do the right thing. All they saw is a red suit and they started killing people. That kind of blind trust of Force visions is ridiculous and they should be exposed as the idiots that they are.

 

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BobaMatt 
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Date Posted: 1/29/07 2:02pm Subject: RE: Will Zayne Carrick start to build himself up at any point?
Well, no, since Zayne's motivation is based largely on the Covenant's actions, I think they would realize that they fulfilled their own prophecy, just as Anakin likely realized he fulfilled his own visions when he woke up on the operating table.

 

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