Ulicus posted:This is one of the reasons I eventually want the Skywalker bloodline gone. Why can't anyone else be the hope for the Jedi Order? Oh yeah, because no-one else can EVER Be as potentailly powerful in the Force . If only they'd been brave and just said that Ben wasn't Force Sensitive, or was middling at best or something... But yeah, I figure Jaina and/or Ben WILL be the only real hope for the Jedi Order considering Jacen's whole "EVILLLL!" thing.
Charlemagne19 posted:The problem is that the Skywalker bloodlines power level isn't nearly the big benefit it is. Yes, dedicated followers like Luke and Jacen are ungawdly powerful as things go. However, Emperor Palpatine wasn't exactly born under an eclipse to a goat on the 6th day of the 6th month of the 6th year either. Leia and Jaina both could get their ass kicked by plenty of other Jedi Knights.
Charlemagne19 posted:Ulicus posted:This is one of the reasons I eventually want the Skywalker bloodline gone. Why can't anyone else be the hope for the Jedi Order? Oh yeah, because no-one else can EVER Be as potentailly powerful in the Force . If only they'd been brave and just said that Ben wasn't Force Sensitive, or was middling at best or something... But yeah, I figure Jaina and/or Ben WILL be the only real hope for the Jedi Order considering Jacen's whole "EVILLLL!" thing. The problem is that the Skywalker bloodlines power level isn't nearly the big benefit it is. Yes, dedicated followers like Luke and Jacen are ungawdly powerful as things go. However, Emperor Palpatine wasn't exactly born under an eclipse to a goat on the 6th day of the 6th month of the 6th year either. Leia and Jaina both could get their ass kicked by plenty of other Jedi Knights. Let's point out the late Kol Skywalker is dead in battle.
Carnage04 posted: How can you say that the Skywalker bloodlines power level isn't that big of a benefit? Are you saying that Jacen and Luke are more powerful just because they worked hard at it? The problem here is, they seem able to reach a very high level of force abilities in a pretty short period of time. At that point they are invincible under anything but extraordinary circumstances. The only way to truly sharpen force skills is to constantly have a reason to use them and push their limits. It is true a normal Jedi could set out to do this but a normal Jedi is likely to find himself dead for trying. If hard earned experience is the key the Skywalker Clan has a huge advantage because they survive to benefit from the experience. Kol was killed in battle. I do admit that, but it was a battle he could not win. Hordes of Imperial Troops and Sith were coming for him and he was alone. I almost feel that you could argue that Kol was "Pulling an Obi-Wan". The shuttle with the younglings was clear to launch. His friend and fellow Master Wolf was taken back to that shuttle. His son, whom he obviously wanted to keep safe, kept running back to help him fight the Sith. With himself out of the picture, Kol wouldn't have a reason to come back. The shuttle could launch without any hesitation. Kol harbored no illusions of escape for himself. And yes, there are those out there like Darth Sidious that are not of the Skywalker bloodline. There are a lot more Coleman Trebors though..... Carnage
Charlemagne19 posted:Carnage04 posted: How can you say that the Skywalker bloodlines power level isn't that big of a benefit? Are you saying that Jacen and Luke are more powerful just because they worked hard at it? The problem here is, they seem able to reach a very high level of force abilities in a pretty short period of time. At that point they are invincible under anything but extraordinary circumstances. The only way to truly sharpen force skills is to constantly have a reason to use them and push their limits. It is true a normal Jedi could set out to do this but a normal Jedi is likely to find himself dead for trying. If hard earned experience is the key the Skywalker Clan has a huge advantage because they survive to benefit from the experience. Kol was killed in battle. I do admit that, but it was a battle he could not win. Hordes of Imperial Troops and Sith were coming for him and he was alone. I almost feel that you could argue that Kol was "Pulling an Obi-Wan". The shuttle with the younglings was clear to launch. His friend and fellow Master Wolf was taken back to that shuttle. His son, whom he obviously wanted to keep safe, kept running back to help him fight the Sith. With himself out of the picture, Kol wouldn't have a reason to come back. The shuttle could launch without any hesitation. Kol harbored no illusions of escape for himself. And yes, there are those out there like Darth Sidious that are not of the Skywalker bloodline. There are a lot more Coleman Trebors though..... Carnage Well actually, I'd say that the reason we think of Jacen Solo and Luke Skywalker as ungodly powerful isn't because of the Skywalker bloodline but because of the Skywalker bloodline AND the fact that they're a pair of bookish force nerds. Luke Skywalker in The Thrawn Trilogy isn't depowered for most of the book and we still don't expect to see him rip through legions of Imperial troopers like a God. Luke Skywalker has pretty much spent the past forty years reconstructing the Jedi Knighthood's teachings, meditating, and improving himself in the Force. Jacen Solo was trained from near birth in the arts of the Force like most Jedi of the Prequel Era and then put himself to the grind stone before going off to study amongst other force traditions. Cade seems to be very talented as a lightsaber duelist, able to lift tall corvettes in a single force wave, and yes...the whole raise the dead thing. However, the man still fled from Darth Nihl and its unlikely he's going to grow significantly in force strength since his two masters were pretty much overpowered by him anyway. I think that it requires a combination of Force dedication and "the divine bloodline" to make them powerful. I also think that while the Skywalker name SHOULD remain importent even thousands of years into Star Wars' future. I also believe that we should see the occasional Coleman Trebor from the bloodline. Nomi Sunrider's kids probably had the same problem.
Master_Starwalker posted:To answer the question, Jaina and Ben would be the only hope other than the heroes of Yavin because Ben's generation is still pretty much an unknown. I could see Kyp, Corran, and Kyle as hopes for the NJO too though they aren't as young.
iamobiwan1970 posted:Oh no, oh no, you are so wrong!!!! A Skywalker has the highest midichlorian level ever, they decend from the chosen one, they are the strongest, they can not be defeated......yak, yak, yak!!!!!