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Darth_Shpydar
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1/27/07 7:42pm
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Vong in KotOR?
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So i've been playing through KotOR again, and was just asking Canderous about his military exploits. He mentions a battle where he encountered something that appeared to be an asteroid, but it ultimately opened fire on his fleet and sped off towards the edge of the galaxy. Is this meant to be a Vong ship? And are there any other indications of the Vong entering the galaxy this early in the timeline?
I'm personally only up to Traitor in my NJO reading right now, so i don't know if there's any other reference to the Vong being around this early anywhere in the later NJO novels. But i did find this a rather interesting point of info...
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Carnage04
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There has been a lot of speculation on this statement but I think more has been made of it than it is worth. Some thought it may be the Vong, others thought it could be the "True Sith".....some even thought that Vong = True Sith. Me? I think Canderous was hitting the Stimulants a little too hard for awhile. 
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Yeah, it's intended to be a Vong vessel, but since it's a dumb idea I chalk it up to something-- anything-- else.
Vong scouts arrived outside the Galaxy fifty years prior to the war; they "show up" (but remain off camera) as a major plot point in Rogue Planet and Outbound Flight. Outside of KotOR, there's no indication the Vong were even aware the Galaxy existed prior to that time.
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BobaMatt
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They had to be aware the galaxy existed. I mean...we know Anromeda exists. I don't see anything terribly wrong with it, so long as it was a one time thing, or maybe a sort of deep space probe.
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ThrawnRocks
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Maybe it was a scout that went off course and ended up in the GFFA. Until Canderous & co. fired on it, it sounds like it was in some sort of hibernation or something. They at least woke it up, and then it went speeding back to the Vong Galaxy. Years later when they send scouts to galaxies, they'll send some to the GFFA because they have been there before sort of.
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BobaMatt
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Yeah. Perhaps it wasn't a piloted craft, and not terribly senitent. Heck, I didn't picture it as being particularly big when I had that conversation with Canderous, so I assume it didn't have a dovin basal. Maybe it floated over after a space battle on the edge of the Vong galaxy, or something...
Edit: Interestingly, Vong "darkspace" travel sheds an interesting light on a discussion we had earlier on these boards about the limitations of hyperspace travel. It was revealed that it wasn't entirely clear what it was about gravity wells that pulled ships out of hyperspace: is the gravity well actually inducing reversion, that is, literally pulling a ship out of hyperspace, or was it the hyperdrive's safety systems reverting to realspace as a precaution? Presumably, dovin basals don't have built in computer safety checks, but they can still get interdicted.
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It's supposed to be the safety systems, but we've seen hyperdrives blown because they're being used in a gravity well--so presumably the safety systems aren't just to prevent collisions, but to prevent hyperdrive damage too. This is why the Bakurans developed their neat gizmo to get around it.
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Carnage04
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BobaMatt posted:
They had to be aware the galaxy existed. I mean...we know Anromeda exists. I don't see anything terribly wrong with it, so long as it was a one time thing, or maybe a sort of deep space probe.
Yeah, perhaps they launched it at the "Height" of their civilization - intent on discovering life outside of the galaxy. Perhaps a coral skipper piloted by some semi-intelligent biotic capable of sending back data using a villip.
In the next 2,800 or so years, they really screwed up their own galaxy and decided to fall back on some of their old discoveries.
There is a huge gap between manned space travel and unmanned. It would take about that long, I'm thinking, to figure out how to cross through to another galaxy with life support systems.
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Darth_Shpydar
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I was aware of the Vong presence 50 years prior to the "present" of the NJO timeframe, between OF and that mention of the archaelogical discovery in one of the earlier NJO novels (one of the Dark Tide books?). Since i hadn't started reading the NJO series when i first played through KotOR, Canderous's statement just kind of floated on by without any connection, though.
Perhaps the vessel -- let's assume an unmanned (unVonged?) probe or scout -- wasn't hyperspace capable, and it took quite some time to eventually get back across the "great barrier" and into Vong-space? Sure, 4000 years is a long time, but for retconning purposes i suppose such an explanation might work somehow. Or perhaps the vessel was damaged on its way back, and wasn't discovered by the Vong until much later in the timeframe? Could make for an interesting story.
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ThrawnRocks
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Maybe it was destroyed altogether. We don't even know that it made it back to the Vong...
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BobaMatt
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GrandAdmiralJello posted:
It's supposed to be the safety systems, but we've seen hyperdrives blown because they're being used in a gravity well--so presumably the safety systems aren't just to prevent collisions, but to prevent hyperdrive damage too. This is why the Bakurans developed their neat gizmo to get around it.
So...gravity wells can yank a ship out of hyperspace, but that causes damage, so the safety systems just revert before the gravity can force it in order to prevent hyperdrive damage?
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Darth_Angle
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If it was a YV scout it took about 11,000 years to cross between galaxies. Is that possible?
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Sauron_18
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Actually, the first recorder Vong presence is from around that time....
Remember Sliviliths?
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GrandAdmiral_Frank
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Actually in one of the cinema scenes you can see a vong ship appear and then get cast out by shadow if you freeze it at 1 min and 38 seconds. It was a present for fans if they were paying attention.
Please reply if you raced to your copy of KOTOR and looked for it. If you did HA HA fooled you.
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ThrawnRocks
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Sauron_18 posted:
Actually, the first recorder Vong presence is from around that time....
Remember Sliviliths?
We're talking about chronologically, but this shows that the Vong can send un-Vonged craft to the galaxy. They could easily make a smarter one that was encountered by Canderous.
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Master_Uxi
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It could well have been a Vong scout... Manned or unmanned. Supposedly the Vong spent "generations" in intergalactic space, but were sort of wondering aimlessly (or perhaps to some different objective) and didn't actually choose the GFFA as their new home until Commander Zho Krazhmir discovered Zonama Sekot.
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