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CountJared Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 2/10/07 11:46pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Ambassador Cara Jade posted: Kevin J. Anderson doesn't get most of the characters, but I blame him directly for the destructions of Callista. She began as a brave, strong courageous Jedi in the hands of Barbara Hambly, which KJA took and immediately **** on, thus destroying her due to his more accessible and simpler writing style. The only thing that saved her was Planet of Twlight, which most people didn't even like, sadly. I would like to second or third Anderson's destruction of Callista. And yes, I liked Planet of Twilight. Saber weilding Hutt sliced up by Leia!
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/11/07 12:00am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Yes, you're absolutely right about Anakin Skywalker. How did I utterly miss it. At nineteen years old, Anakin Skywalker is a monster. How do we know this? He's rebellious to his master, he's disrespectful to his elders, he wears dark clothing, he gets really tongue tied around girls, and comes up with bad pick up lines to try and get into someone's pants. ..... Or he's a newly adult male. Yes, Anakin Skywalker is a High School Senior/College Freshman. Anakin Skywalker looks bad by comparison to other Jedi Knights because he's trying already trying to assert his independence from Obi Wan Kenobi. Anakin is right not to believe in the typical Jedi laws because like Qui Gon, he's aware that they're so much paper compared to the outside world. The Jedi Council have never particularly got along with Anakin Skywalker in small part because of the fact that he's always grating on people's nerves. You say right and he'll say left. Even if it's right as clear as the eye can see. He stifles under the Council's rules and regulations but he's RIGHT at least half the time. Anakin isnt without friends in the Order. While he lost his closest friend in Tru, Anakin still had Obi Wan Kenobi's love and respect even if he realized he wasn't up to the task. Anakin knew and was liked by both Barriss Offee and Aalya Secura. He was a figure of simultaneous envy and disdain to some of his peers but plenty of them crossed the line to become Anakin's friend. As the padawan pack incident proved, Anakin actually made friends fairly easily once he reached adulthood. It's ironic that he had to deal with the Tusken Massacre in the back of his head and his secrets by the time of the Clone Wars because then Anakin became a genuinely talented Jedi Knight that would have been a tremendous asset to the Order. The Jedi Council stopped asking questions when Anakin destroyed the Dark Reaper and they realized that he wasn't a lost cause. He was just unorthodox. Had Tatooine never happened, he would have been at last to rest in peace amongst the Order...but it did.
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The_Four_Dot_Elipsis Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 2/11/07 12:17am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Ambassador Cara Jade posted: Kevin J. Anderson doesn't get most of the characters, but I blame him directly for the destructions of Callista. She began as a brave, strong courageous Jedi in the hands of Barbara Hambly, which KJA took and immediately **** on, thus destroying her due to his more accessible and simpler writing style. The only thing that saved her was Planet of Twlight, which most people didn't even like, sadly. Because both Hambly and Anderson need to be collectively kicked in the side of the head, Crazy Joe Davola style. And if they start randomly writing Yo-yo Ma into their works, it'll only be for the better. -----signature----- "You were fantastic. We're free!" "Kara, we're inside a Russian airbase in the middle of Afghanistan."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/11/07 1:07am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Meh. Barbara Hambly paid Kevin Anderson back by ruining Daala.
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 2/11/07 1:16am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Charlemagne19 posted: Anakin knew and was liked by both Barriss Offee and Aalya Secura. Some guys have all the luck. Charlemagne19 posted: He was a figure of simultaneous envy and disdain to some of his peers but plenty of them crossed the line to become Anakin's friend. See above. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/11/07 1:19am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Havac posted: See above. yes, Anakin long ago mastered "Enhance Pheremone" that little known force power to get all the girls. That and "Affect Mind."
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eaglejedi Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 2/11/07 4:52am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	I haven't yet read Allegiance, but I can speak to the changes in Mara's character, real or suppsed, between TTT and HOT. First of all, not all of those were Zahn's idea. I think he did a good idea of integrating the changes made by previous authors into his conception of the character and her development, even those that were quite flagrantly what he calls "out of character experiences." Zahn himself never suggested any romance between Mara and Lando, and the whole idea of the two characters together doesn't quite pan out in my mind. In fact, I saw the suggestion of a future romance between Luke and Mara when I read the end of Last Command. It's also hinted at in I, Jedi, though that may have been done deliberately to help set up HOT. As far as the Dark Side issue goes, well, there is the contention that using the choking technique doesn't necessarily move one towards the Dark Side. After all, the original C'baoth (in Outbound Flight) apparently knew how to do it before he turned to the Dark Side, unless one wants to argue that he suddenly instantly learned it, upon turning, right before he died. Also, all evidence suggests that Mara wasn't trained very highly by the Emperor, so any change towards the Dark Side that did occur, would have been somewhat minimal. Also, it's entirely possible that Mara's view of her own darker past is colored by a present in which she's following a different path. She changes significantly and believably, between TTT and the relevant conversation in HOT, in terms of her general character, and her specific attitudes towards the Emperor, the Empire, and Luke Skywalker. It's possible she was a little involved in the Dark Side in her past but doesn't realize/recognize it anymore. Then again, given how Zahn managed to cast doubt on the stupid clone Emperor thing, and help point out and correct for the stupidity of much of the Jedi Academy Trilogy and Dark Empire Trilogy, I tend to give him a wide latitude in some areas. As far as Corran Horn goes, I don't have much of a standard to judge portrayals by, but I do find the character very interesting in I, Jedi. He seems a bit flatter in HOT, though he. As far as being Luke's best friend, I don't get that sense I, Jedi- it's more that he's someone Luke already knows a little and knows something about, compared to the others. He's also the logical choice to help Luke investigate the Dark Side occurrences. As far as Kyp seeming like a Sith, well, yeah, the guy helped Exar Kun almost kill Luke Skywalker, and murdered billions of people for revenge! I rather like Stackpole's take on the events of the Jedi Academy Trilogy, and the portrayals of the characters therein and in other novels taking place around the same time. What kind of jackass sets up his Jedi Academy in an old Sith Temple? -----signature----- Council Jedi Master, Light Side Jedi Order Favorite JC User: DARTHMOM10 Love everything, for that is why you are here. Keeper of George Bush's Holy Torture Gown. http://www.thehungersite.com
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 2/11/07 9:57am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Carnage04 posted: Is everyone that lives on Mandalore a "Mandalorian"? I mean it in the sense that The Gungans live on Naboo, but "Gungans no like the Naboo"... Everyone that lives on Mandalore is "Mandalorian", if not by ancestry, then insofar as they adopt the local culture and identify with it. It's the same with Corellia, Coruscant, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 2/11/07 4:41pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	eaglejedi posted: As far as the Dark Side issue goes, well, there is the contention that using the choking technique doesn't necessarily move one towards the Dark Side. After all, the original C'baoth (in Outbound Flight) apparently knew how to do it before he turned to the Dark Side, unless one wants to argue that he suddenly instantly learned it, upon turning, right before he died. Using the Force to choke someone is undoubtedly pretty nasty and something that leads you towards the dark side. As for "knowing the technique"... huh? If you know how to move objects with the Force, then you know how to Force choke. They're both applications of the same ability. Don't believe the way the powers are "separated" in the video games and RPGs. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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RedXIV Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 2/11/07 5:07pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Luke very casually Force-choked some Gamorreans in ROTJ. He certainly wasn't moving toward the dark side. First, Force choking isn't necessarily lethal. Second, killing isn't inherently a dark side activity.
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CountJared Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 2/11/07 5:12pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Charlemagne19 posted: Meh. Barbara Hambly paid Kevin Anderson back by ruining Daala. Yes she did!
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 2/11/07 5:13pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	RedXIV posted: Luke very casually Force-choked some Gamorreans in ROTJ. He certainly wasn't moving toward the dark side. Yeah he was. That was part of the point of Return of the Jedi: that Luke could snap and go evil at any time. Lucas was trying to set of signals in the viewers brain along the lines of: "OH NO! LUKE IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT DARTH VADER!" It's one the reasons he stuck him in black too. RedXIV posted: First, Force choking isn't necessarily lethal. True, but there's always a better alternative available for a Jedi. Why can't Luke just use the Force to make the guards pass out, ala Qui-Gon and Jar Jar? RedXIV posted: Second, killing isn't inherently a dark side activity. True enough, as long as it's in self defence and generally the last resort. Causing unneccessary pain, like Luke did to the gamorreans, however - DOES contribute to one's journey down the dark path. I'm not saying that Luke using the dark side at this point - but he was certainly starting to skirt close. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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LtNOWIS Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 2/11/07 5:51pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Ulicus posted: RedXIV posted: Second, killing isn't inherently a dark side activity. True enough, as long as it's in self defence and generally the last resort. By that logic, being a soldier or a combat pilot is a Dark side activity. -----signature----- A little bit about me: http://tinyurl.com/bnmcck
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RedXIV Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 2/11/07 5:55pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get. - Date Edited: 2/11/07 5:56pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RedXIV
	Making them pass out? Isn't that pretty much what Luke did? He choked them into unconciousness. And more to the point, he wasn't acting out of anger, fear, or any other emotion. He calmly, logically took action to nonlethally remove them from his path.
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Quiet_Mandalorian Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 2/11/07 5:55pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Ulicus posted: True, but there's always a better alternative available for a Jedi. Why can't Luke just use the Force to make the guards pass out, ala Qui-Gon and Jar Jar? Qui-Gon didn't need the Force to make Jar-Jar pass out. -----signature----- Fey'la was right! Bring Asyr Sei'lar to justice!
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