J_K_DART posted: Charles: according to DL, Yoda concluded that it was Anakin's upbringing that led to his becoming vulnerable to the Dark Side.
MistrX posted:He's the one that says mourning and missing your dead friends and attachment lead to the Dark Side. Luke's order pretty much proved that that wasn't necessarily the case. Not even Yoda's right all the time.
BobaMatt posted:Also, Yoda calls Dooku his padawan. Apparently, he was wrong.
Charlemagne19 posted:I'd like to say that I always have enjoyed Kevin J. Anderson and Walter John William's Pellaeon whom, along with Zahn, is the only three that felt RIGHT even if the Gardening conversation isn't entirely what I think Old Gilead would have with his old enemies (Unless the gardens were telling him that the Rebels would attack from the North by the blooming of the Rose) I like Pellaeon as a guy who like Kent Brockman lives by the old adage "I've said it before and I'll say it again, democracy simply does not work."
MercenaryAce posted:Wouln't he be more along the lines of Durnitz?
Ris_jSarek posted:I don't think his other portrayals imply otherwise. But just because he has no faith in democracy, that doesn't mean he is automatically a callous Social Darwinist autocrat, either. That was my big problem with his portrayal in Destiny's Way - not that he had to play diplomatic hardball with the Solos, but because he was an out-of-character prig while doing it.
Ris_jSarek posted:I really wish Del Rey had let Williams keep the scene of Pellaeon and Solo getting drunk together in Destiny's Way. I don't know if it would have necessarily made up for the portrayal in the negotiating scenes, but it might have mitigated them a little.
dp4m posted:And Padme? Enabler much?
Havac posted:Ris_jSarek posted:I really wish Del Rey had let Williams keep the scene of Pellaeon and Solo getting drunk together in Destiny's Way. I don't know if it would have necessarily made up for the portrayal in the negotiating scenes, but it might have mitigated them a little. What? That would be, like, the most mind-blowingly awesome thing ever. The only way it could get cooler is if the beer came from Vape. "Vape: cold one."
BobaMatt posted: Especially when you divorce his words from content and meaning.
BobaMatt posted:That quote is often used to make Yoda - and the Jedi in general - out to be coldhearted bastards, and we can see that that's not true, that that's not how the Jedi roll. The only way that Yoda telling Anakin to not dwell on the loss of his friend can be used as an indictment is if it's divorced from it's intent and meaning. The quote is no different from Buddhist teachings, or most religious teachings that teach that someone's in a better place now, to be happy that they're in God's grace, to not let their loss drag you down. This teaching is especially important to the Jedi, and we can see from RotS why: rather than Anakin accepting death as a natural, if tragic, element of life, he brings the galaxy to its knees.