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BobaMatt  14590 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/07 7:05pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Well, first off, I give Anakin enough credit to have gotten used to finding calm since Rogue Planet, and to believe he was intelligent enough to understand full well what Yoda was saying to him, even if he wasn't about to accept it. Anakin's problem is he went to Yoda not really wanting to hear what Yoda had to say.

The other problem is that Anakin never told anyone about any of his problems, or anything about his life, or any of his inner thoughts, so there was no way for Yoda to know what was going on, here.

 

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rhonderoo  41737 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/07 7:12pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get. - Date Edited: 2/15/07 7:13pm (1 edits total) Edited By: rhonderoo
Wait. Did we watch the same movie?

When did Anakin "stalk" Padme after they agreed that it would "destroy them"?

When she asked to come to Tatooine with him? When she told him she was taking them to Geonosis whether he liked it or not, and then SHE confessed her feelings to him and HE said, "I thought we agree not to fall in love..."?


It would be interesting to see how many "Anakin is a stalkerists" are in relationships. Or ever have been. raised_brow

 

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Date Posted: 2/15/07 7:39pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
I think they mean before that. You know, like when Anakin was talking about how he thought about her all the time? To say that about someone you haven't seen in years is kinda odd. As are his pitiful attempts to make conversation. Those alone warrants the "creep" designation.

Anakin can have good moments as a character, but IMHO he goes downhill whenever Padme is around. Strike that, everything goes downhill whenever Padme is around. tongue

 

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Charlemagne19  26817 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/07 7:41pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Rogue_Follower posted:
I think they mean before that. You know, like when Anakin was talking about how he thought about her all the time? To say that about someone you haven't seen in years is kinda odd. As are his pitiful attempts to make conversation. Those alone warrants the "creep" designation.

Anakin can have good moments as a character, but IMHO he goes downhill whenever Padme is around. Strike that, everything goes downhill whenever Padme is around. tongue


Well to be fair. Anakin has decided to try to be smoothe with the ladies except for the fact he has no experience with them.

And Leia is a lot like her father and mother's child.

She just got all the political skill except, when things go wrong, she cluster bombs it like daddy.

 

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Darth_Shpydar  1061 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 7:08am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
rhonderoo posted:
Wait. Did we watch the same movie?

When did Anakin "stalk" Padme after they agreed that it would "destroy them"?

When she asked to come to Tatooine with him? When she told him she was taking them to Geonosis whether he liked it or not, and then SHE confessed her feelings to him and HE said, "I thought we agree not to fall in love..."?


It would be interesting to see how many "Anakin is a stalkerists" are in relationships. Or ever have been. raised_brow


QFT. I never got the "Ani-stalker" argument either.

Rogue_Follower posted:
I think they mean before that. You know, like when Anakin was talking about how he thought about her all the time? To say that about someone you haven't seen in years is kinda odd. As are his pitiful attempts to make conversation. Those alone warrants the "creep" designation.


Seriously, i don't get that. So he still thought about a girl he fell for at first sight (remember, bad acting (Hayden & Jake) and bad directing (the almighty GL) does not create actual character intent)? How is that stalker-sh? And he's not good chatting up the ladies -- again, how is it stalker-ish?

I just don't see it. Anakin's a guy who fell in love fast -- maybe too fast, but that fits his character perfectly (as in the whole impatience with his training and wanting to be all-powerful right away), and he's one who's had little to no experience with girls, so ofc ocurse he's going to be awkward and/or weird when flirting -- especially with the one he fell in love with at first sight.

Again, i honestly don't see this Ani-stalker business. confused

 

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Jedi Merkurian  11661 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 8:31am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
"I never got the 'Ani-stalker' argument either."

Might have something to do with:

"Don't look at me that way. It makes me uncomfortable." Followed by Anakin's creepy-looking grin as she walks away.... whistling

 

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Darth_Shpydar  1061 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 9:22am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Jedi Merkurian posted:
"I never got the 'Ani-stalker' argument either."

Might have something to do with:

"Don't look at me that way. It makes me uncomfortable." Followed by Anakin's creepy-looking grin as she walks away.... whistling




Umm, no. "Don't look at me that way. It makes me uncomfortable." As in, "I'm trying not to let myself fall for you, when you look at me like that, you make it hard to do." (a la Han holding Leia's hands on the Falcon and her "Stop that, my hands are dirty.") Anakin's grinning, because he realizes that she is, actually, attracted to him.

 

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BobaMatt  14590 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 9:29am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Yep.

That being said, I wish the prequels had made Anakin more likeable.

 

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Jedi Merkurian  11661 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 9:35am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Darth_Shpydar posted:
Umm, no. "Don't look at me that way. It makes me uncomfortable." As in, "I'm trying not to let myself fall for you, when you look at me like that, you make it hard to do." (a la Han holding Leia's hands on the Falcon and her "Stop that, my hands are dirty.") Anakin's grinning, because he realizes that she is, actually, attracted to him.

Then fault Lucas' directing rather than audience interpretation. Because in that scene, rather than blushing & trembling like Leia, Padme' looked wigged out. Likewise, Anakin doesn look cocky, he looks creepy.

 

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Darth_Shpydar  1061 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 9:43am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
I've said it before, i'll say it again:

bad acting + bad directing =/= valid analysis of actual character intent

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Though honestly, for me, i never saw that scene any other way than how i described, even with bad acting/direction.

 

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dp4m  36470 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 10:09am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Darth_Shpydar posted:
I've said it before, i'll say it again:

bad acting + bad directing =/= valid analysis of actual character intent

peace

Though honestly, for me, i never saw that scene any other way than how i described, even with bad acting/direction.


But that's your own opinion and one with which you're very likely in the minority.

Also, your first statement is pretty ludicrous at face value since the ONLY measuring stick we have for G-canon portrayals is, y'know, the directing and acting.

 

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Darth_Shpydar  1061 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 11:07am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
dp4m posted:
But that's your own opinion and one with which you're very likely in the minority.

Perhaps. Doesn't make it wrong though. grin peace

dp4m posted:
Also, your first statement is pretty ludicrous at face value since the ONLY measuring stick we have for G-canon portrayals is, y'know, the directing and acting.


I see what you're saying, but i think it depends on how you look at it. It's certainly possible to look past flaws in acting and directing to see the underlying intent of a scene when it's taken in the broader context (in this case, the broader context would include the overall relationship of Anakin/Padme, including the remainder of AotC, in which it becomes clearer that Padme does/did in fact have feelings for Anakin, but was trying to supress and/or control them).

 

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dp4m  36470 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 11:47am Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Darth_Shpydar posted:
I see what you're saying, but i think it depends on how you look at it. It's certainly possible to look past flaws in acting and directing to see the underlying intent of a scene when it's taken in the broader context (in this case, the broader context would include the overall relationship of Anakin/Padme, including the remainder of AotC, in which it becomes clearer that Padme does/did in fact have feelings for Anakin, but was trying to supress and/or control them).


Right -- and certainly if you look at the BOOK of the movie, it's nearly 1600% more clear that this was the intent. However, the movie taken as a piece by itself (which is most of the people), you have people separated by 10 years with one of them looking/acting decidedly stalkerish after being told off. Is it bad direction and/or acting? Probably. Is it just as valid an interpretation as the other way? Yep.

 

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NelanisGhost  2191 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 12:41pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
dizfactor posted:
dp4m posted:
And Padme? Enabler much?


Just... don't even get me started on Padme.

Leia is strong evidence for nurture over nature in the SW universe, let's put it that way. She's so much more like Bail than Padme or Anakin.



I don't agree. She has nurture for her to direct her strong father inherited traits in a positive manner. She has self dicipline and she was loved and adored. I believe any child that is brought up with that much thought, is bound to be a good person. The foundation is very strong. Leia wasn't just raised by Bail and Breha, she was raised by a bunch of pros and intellectuals, and she was put on a great path to be a great leader.

If Anakin had the upbringing she did, he'd be a lot like her. Because she is a lot like him, she shares his traits of snap decision making, impatience and idealism, and she does have a temper. She is very strong willed, and bullheaded, tubborn to a fault and somewhat tunnel visioned. She has the same basic personality as Anakin, but she is the positve embodiment of these traits , wheras Anakin is the negative embodiment.

 

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Ris_jSarek  2557 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16/07 6:14pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Darth_Shpydar posted:
I see what you're saying, but i think it depends on how you look at it. It's certainly possible to look past flaws in acting and directing to see the underlying intent of a scene when it's taken in the broader context (in this case, the broader context would include the overall relationship of Anakin/Padme, including the remainder of AotC, in which it becomes clearer that Padme does/did in fact have feelings for Anakin, but was trying to supress and/or control them).


Taken in the context of the whole film, it's a relationship between a stalker and an enabler, not between two healthy people. Padme reciprocating feelings for Anakin doesn't make Anakin alright.

Bad acting and bad directing KILL what's *supposed* to be there.

 

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