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Carnage04  4905 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 6:50pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
HanSolOKniser3 posted:
Traviss's portrayal of Jaina and Mara in Bloodlines is pathetic. imnshooc. peace


I think a lot of authors have sort of botched Jaina....I can't even really characterize her. I will agree that Traviss really dropped the ball on Mara. She's cautious, pragmatic, insightful....but Traviss turns her into a bumbling idiot that refuses to look deeper into the character of Jacen Solo.

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 7:16pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Ashandarei posted:
Kenobi_Kid posted:
The possibility of Boba not being a Mandalorian was pretty much closed off with AotC and the introduction of Jango Fett, so you can't really say it's her responsibility that he's supposed to be an honest-to-goodness Mandalorian now. She's just running with what she's been given.
No, no, you misunderstood (or I didn't elaborate fully enough, since I erroneously thought it was obvious). What I meant was that Boba is certainly a Mandalorian by birth, but he has pretty much never conducted himself in the Mandalorian manner. He's not a die-hard glory-seeking battle-loving soldier. He's never seemed to hold family in high esteem, and aside from his one foray into marriage when he was a teenager has never been shown to desire one. He's never attempted to reunite with his Mando brethren in any capacity after that, preferring the life of a loner. He's never even learned Mando'a. Granted, becoming Mandalore could change a few things, but I, personally, don't think it's for the better.

...and Traviss addressed that very thing in Bloodlines. It's constantly harped on that he's not authentic Mandalorian.

 

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Ashandarei  1280 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 7:17pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
But he's trying to be.

 

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 7:20pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get. - Date Edited: 2/7/07 7:21pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BobaMatt
Charlemagne19 posted:
Yes, but Mandalorian Supercommandos was to me like Japanese Samurai.

Still is. That being said, there are Japanese people that aren't samurai, and there could, hypothetically, be Samurai - an institution peculiar to the Japanese - without being Japanese.
Ashandarei posted:
But he's trying to be.

Now he is. Kinda. Sorta.

He'll be dead in a year anyway.

 

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Carnage04  4905 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 8:33pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.


Mandolorian is such a different thing to be. It's more along the lines of being a Republican or Democrat than it is being born with a particular heritage. I find them to be like minded individuals who love combat for the sake of combat, and have a code of honor that is higher than that of a simple mercenary. It seems to me that Boba Fett may be a heartless money grubbing cold blooded killer, but he always has had a particular code of honor and a sense of desiring order of a type. He seems like a perfect Mando to me. Whether or not he has the leadership capabilities of being Mandalore is a different story with his tendency to keep to himself....

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MistrX  1520 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 8:43pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Charlemagne19 posted:


Frankly, I'm annoyed they made Boba Fett not speak Mandoa




Kind of hard to do when he preceded its existence by years.

BobaMatt posted:

Ashandarei posted:
But he's trying to be.

Now he is. Kinda. Sorta.

He'll be dead in a year anyway.


For some reason, I easily accepted that he would do that late in his life, that he was a late bloomer. Maybe he thought it would be a good way to stop the Vong.

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 9:11pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
MistrX posted:

Kind of hard to do when he preceded its existence by years.


One thinks that a man whom has been identified as a Mandalorian for decades might have it retconned that he speaks his own frickin language.

Carnage04 posted:
Mandolorian is such a different thing to be. It's more along the lines of being a Republican or Democrat than it is being born with a particular heritage. I find them to be like minded individuals who love combat for the sake of combat, and have a code of honor that is higher than that of a simple mercenary. It seems to me that Boba Fett may be a heartless money grubbing cold blooded killer, but he always has had a particular code of honor and a sense of desiring order of a type. He seems like a perfect Mando to me. Whether or not he has the leadership capabilities of being Mandalore is a different story with his tendency to keep to himself....


My take on the "Mandalorian Super Commandoes" was that they were sort of akin to the Morgukai as we know them in the Republic comics. This group of human beings developed a bunch of nifty armor that they loaded down with guns and made themselves warriors on par with the Jedi knights. It's largely unique to the planet Mandalore (or Sector now) and pretty much restricted to being racial because it's a culture thing. I never assumed that everyone on Mandalore was trained in wearing the armor and so on as Karen Traviss has retconned. Mostly because I always felt that Fett was supposed to be sort of an Anti-Luke Skywalker. The Last of the Mandalorians whom has become a degenerate Bounty Hunter than carrying on his tradition.

(Oddly, I was accurate except that it was Jango Fett rather than Boba)

On the other hand, it does cut down on the problem of people living on Mandalore and the thing we think of one when someone says "Mandalorians"

as Boba said. Not every Japanese is a Samurai (though only one exception, to my knowledge, was there ever a non-Japanese samurai and that was a political move) but pretty much every samurai is Japanese.

 

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 9:15pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Mandalorians have a lot more non-Mandalorian Mandalorians (crap, I hate this) than the Samurai had non-Japanese Samurai.

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 9:31pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
BobaMatt posted:
Mandalorians have a lot more non-Mandalorian Mandalorians (crap, I hate this) than the Samurai had non-Japanese Samurai.


Quite so.

Then again, I don't think that was the case during KOTOR.

It's more the case of all those wars pretty much slaughtering them all to an extremely small amount.

Traviss' articles would seem to apply to the entire race too when it seems much more clear by other sources that the Mandalorians like those under Spar were sort of the Society of Creative Anachronism as Mandalorians go.

 

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JEDI-KILLER_17  453 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 9:37pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Might as well say it...

Traviss + Ben = Crizzap

 

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patchworkz7  3179 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 9:41pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get. - Date Edited: 2/7/07 9:43pm (1 edits total) Edited By: patchworkz7
Ashandarei posted:
No, no, you misunderstood (or I didn't elaborate fully enough, since I erroneously thought it was obvious). What I meant was that Boba is certainly a Mandalorian by birth, but he has pretty much never conducted himself in the Mandalorian manner. He's not a die-hard glory-seeking battle-loving soldier. He's never seemed to hold family in high esteem, and aside from his one foray into marriage when he was a teenager has never been shown to desire one. He's never attempted to reunite with his Mando brethren in any capacity after that, preferring the life of a loner. He's never even learned Mando'a. Granted, becoming Mandalore could change a few things, but I, personally, don't think it's for the better.


Traviss didn't make Boba Mandalore.

I'm not actually sure who did that though, although the circumstances were fleshed out a little by Abel, iirc. Can anyone with a better memory jog mine? I don't want to say it was Abel who did it if he didn't, but I know his INSIDER article talked about the Boba/Fenn situation.

It's a little hazy how he became Mandalore, but it was something in play when Traviss came to the character. The only thing is that she has shown him using his position to basically profit himself and call up the Mando posse when needed. Several Mando characters express displeasure that he still can't talk the language except to swear and that he is never on Mandalore.

He's seen pulling the Mandos back together a little bit, but that's the extent of it.

I was about to write that the only big thing Traviss changed on the character was the daughter but she was in play through the comics and Abel prior to Traviss...so the only thing she added was a granddaughter and a reason for Fett to look back on his life a little harsher.

 

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 9:48pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Charlemagne19 posted:
MistrX posted:

Kind of hard to do when he preceded its existence by years.

One thinks that a man whom has been identified as a Mandalorian for decades might have it retconned that he speaks his own frickin language.

Yeah, particularly because his father spoke it and taught it to all the other clones.

 

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RedXIV  187 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 9:54pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
DarthSanctimonious posted:
Matthew Stover: Jacen's portrayal in Traitor clashed with all continuity by erroneously portraying him as an interesting character with depth.

Well, wasn't it originally going to be Jacen who died and Anakin who was captured?

Maybe Stover just had his word processor replace every mention of Anakin with Jacen, and vice versa. wink

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/07 10:24pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
In general, Mandalorians and Boba Fett have this weird ass relationship that would give even my lightsaber of truth thread pause (even as some have been known to say that mine occasionally needs new batteries). Let me try and give a go at my take on it.

and why ANYONE who writes Boba Fett may be out of character.

Boba Fett is a Mandalorian and all we know from Lucas' conception is they were pounded on by the Jedi Knights, Boba Fett is one, and they wear armor. That's literally it. Why Boba Fett is a bounty hunter is never elaborated on. In Star Wars canon (WEG is a particularly egregious offender) because every alien we meet is particular of his species, Boba is made into being typical of Mandalorians.

The Marvel writings attempt to portray the Mandalorians as fighting the EMPIRE during the Clone Wars with the Jedi presumably fighting for the Empire (even I think that makes no sense since the Old Republic is clearly alluded to). Then Kevin J. Anderson does his publication where the Mandalorians essentially become warriors for hire nd the galaxies Klingons.

Simultaneously, Boba Fett keeps on showing up in various media but instead of playing up his racial roots; they completely ignore them. Aside from killing Jodo Kast, Boba Fett is played as purely a mercenary "Man with No Name" character. He exists to show up, kill someone, and take their stuff (again like a Galaxies player character)

Last Man Standing and Dark Empire II are the worst offenders for Boba Fett continuity suckage (to bring this vaguely on topic) because they give Boba Fett's origins....with no mention whatsoever to him being a Mandalorian.

Only recently with KOTOR, did the Mandalorians get a coherent history and Boba Fett was allowed to become Mandalore as a cap to his career since LMS has nothing to with Mandalorians!

 

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Date Posted: 2/7/07 10:41pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
Watson = Everybody.

Wolverton = Everything.

Hambly = Everybody.

McIntire = Everything.

Anderson = Good writing.

Windham = Everybody.

Denning = Anyone that he didn't create.

 

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