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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 2/8/07 5:54pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get. - Date Edited: 2/8/07 5:55pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BobaMatt
	I'm not sure whether I agree with you or not, because I'm not sure if your post makes sense. Ulicus posted: After collapsing to his knees, Anakin embraces the dark side. Ok. Now, you quote Bastila... Ulicus posted: Bastila Shan: The dark side is not simply giving in to anger or temptation to use the Force to destructive ends. These things only lead to the dark side. The dark side grows stronger and more insidious the closer you draw to it. It begs you to surrender to it, to release all its terrible power... and it becomes harder and harder to resist. And once you stop resisting, it is too late. It twists you up inside and... and turns you into a mockery of everything you once stood for. ...and say the following: Ulicus posted: When Anakin falls to his knees is when he stops resisting. And yet right before quoting Bastila, you said this: Ulicus posted: That's not the same thing as getting angry, or unconsciously drawing upon it every now and again - that's a conscious decision to let unparalleled evil into your soul. In that instant he became a mockery of everything he ever stood for. I guess it's not so much that I'm not sure your post makes sense so much as I'm not sure what you're actually saying. Bastila's quote doesn't really differ from anything we've been saying about Anakin's character. According to Bastila's quote, it was precisely the "getting angry, or unconsciously drawing upon it every now and then" that led Anakin to the dark side and the Sith. It was those actions and those character traits that he always knew were in opposition to his Jedi training but did them anyway that led to him kneeling before Palpatine. Pledging himself to the Sith was indeed when he let evil into his heart, but not because he necessarily believed it was evil, but because the Sith were telling him what he wanted to hear: that he was right and the Jedi were wrong. Anakin found a philosophy that he didn't have to struggle against. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 2/8/07 6:02pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	I'll look over it again tommorow. It's 2 AM and I'm tired. Basically, I'm saying that I disagree with the person who said that Anakin killing the younglings was "out of character" (wtte), since at that point Anakin is a different character in most respects. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 2/8/07 6:04pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Ahhhhh, I getcha. I thought you were responding to a different argument. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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000 Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 2/8/07 6:05pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	MistrX posted: I didn't know it was possible to screw Threepio up. Make him into a clueless doofus. Watch ANH: Threepio's a sly little bugger. That's why I'm still convinced he was never memory-wiped. Havac: you may be right-- it's been a long time since I read either. I'm probably thinking mostly of Zahn or Anderson, here.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/8/07 6:07pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	BobaMatt posted: "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil"..."I'm stronger than the Chancellor. I can overthrow him"..."Obi-Wan's holding me back"..."Please Grampa Palpy help me save Padme. The Jedi don't trust me"...etc etc. Stover's novel takes it clear that Anakin knows what he's doing and is willing to self justify.
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 2/8/07 6:22pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get. - Date Edited: 2/8/07 6:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BobaMatt
	Anakin's always been conflicted, but it's been made clear in other sources that he has very definite ideas about some things and those ideas don't always coincide with the Jedi way. There's a reason he trusts Palpatine, and there's a reason he's willing to go along with him that transcends simply "to save Padme." I mean, sure he was remorseful for taking out that Tusken village, but he never really regretted it. He held on to his hate, and Palpatine told him that it was right to kill those Tuskens. Only natural. He had some difficulties with the fact that he killed Krayn, but he didn't really regret it. He cries after slaughtering the Separatist leaders, but he thinks that, in the end, it was the right thing to do. Same goes for Operation: Knightfall. He grows to hate Obi-Wan, the only person besides his mother and Padme that ever really loved him. Anakin's character flaws drag him down. He harbors a feeling of justification and self-righteousness, even though he's been raised not to feel that way, not to believe in what he thinks he may believe in. It's this conflict that leads to the crying fits and the whining and the throwing things. Ironically, it's this conflict that Luke senses. In the end, Palpatine tells him that his behavior is okay and Anakin, still unaware of what he was really getting into, goes along with it because he trusts that, in the end, it will all be alright. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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LtNOWIS Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 2/8/07 6:54pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Charlemagne19 posted: Because they've been crushed by the Jedi Knights and are almost extinct. Yeah. If you're referring to Galidraan, than I don't think it was as crippling a blow as people think. A few dozen people at Galidraan and 209 Mandalorian Protectors during the War isn't going to wipe out a people. -----signature----- A little bit about me: http://tinyurl.com/bnmcck
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/8/07 7:01pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	LtNOWIS posted: Charlemagne19 posted: Because they've been crushed by the Jedi Knights and are almost extinct. Yeah. If you're referring to Galidraan, than I don't think it was as crippling a blow as people think. A few dozen people at Galidraan and 209 Mandalorian Protectors during the War isn't going to wipe out a people. The people are immaterial if the order is wiped out. The Mandalorian farmers association can continue fine with the Mandalorians as mecha riding guys in battlesuits being no more. Of course, the Death Watch survived and we know that some of the Super Commandoes did too.
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Froggy22651 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 2/8/07 8:41pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Alright, alright...I get it. It was totally in-character for Anakin to go through with the kiddie slaughter at that time. Ok.
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Barriss_Coffee Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 2/8/07 8:57pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Charlemagne19 posted: Characters that certain authors don't get. Kyle Katarn. Because no one "gets" Kyle Katarn and lives to tell of it. -----signature----- SAN HILL LIVES!
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 2/8/07 10:13pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Charlemagne19 posted: LtNOWIS posted: Charlemagne19 posted: Because they've been crushed by the Jedi Knights and are almost extinct. Yeah. If you're referring to Galidraan, than I don't think it was as crippling a blow as people think. A few dozen people at Galidraan and 209 Mandalorian Protectors during the War isn't going to wipe out a people. The people are immaterial if the order is wiped out. The Mandalorian farmers association can continue fine with the Mandalorians as mecha riding guys in battlesuits being no more. Of course, the Death Watch survived and we know that some of the Super Commandoes did too. Never use "Mandalorian" and "mecha" in the same sentence again. Thank you. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/8/07 10:22pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Havac posted: Never use "Mandalorian" and "mecha" in the same sentence again. Thank you. Eventually, we'll see one flying a Giant Man Shaped Robot. Mark my Words!
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Mayor_Adam_West Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 2/8/07 10:37pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Gundams in Star Wars? Its my fanboy wetdream.
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Ashandarei Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 2/8/07 11:38pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Mandalorian Gundams. How can anything that sounds so good be so very, very wrong? -----signature----- What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/8/07 11:45pm Subject: RE: Characters that certain authors don't get.
	Ashandarei posted: Mandalorian Gundams. How can anything that sounds so good be so very, very wrong? This is canonical, damnit.
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