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The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 (No Spoilers)
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Charlemagne19
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3/11 6:54pm
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RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
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Ulicus posted:
Zekk = Angel and Jag = Riley. 
Kyp = ... Spike?
No, no.
Angel= Zekk Jag=Spike.
Up to and including the subtext.
"Only that one time!"
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Ulicus
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3/11 7:08pm
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Ulicus posted:
Zekk = Angel and Jag = Riley.
Kyp = ... Spike?
No, no.
Angel= Zekk Jag=Spike.
Up to and including the subtext.
"Only that one time!"
Are you referring to a certain quote from AtS Season 5?
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Charlemagne19
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Ulicus posted:
Are you referring to a certain quote from AtS Season 5?
Yep!
Zekk "We're so totally over him."
Sure Zekk, sure.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Going with the idea that the SA is supposed to be what "Dark Luke" could have been...
Maybe one of the SA's parents was a secret creation of Darth Plagueis?
Yeah, that's the ticket! 
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Ulicus
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3/12 3:53am
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I still prefer the idea of him having been a creation of Darth Vader. Or a kid into whom Darth Vader spliced parts of himself into so as to make him stronger.
That would be a way of increasing Vader's "awesome factor" even if he does end up going down to his own creation.
I am sad that this isn't going to be the case. 
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Jmacq1
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3/12 4:31am
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Ulicus posted:
I still prefer the idea of him having been a creation of Darth Vader. Or a kid into whom Darth Vader spliced parts of himself into so as to make him stronger.
That would be a way of increasing Vader's "awesome factor" even if he does end up going down to his own creation.
I am sad that this isn't going to be the case.
Remember folks, this game is for comparative "Star Wars Noobs" as for anyone else. Start tossing out things like "Sith Alchemy" and whatnot and the vast majority of casual fans aren't going to say, "Whoa, that's cool." They're going to say, "Uh...what?"
Keep it simple. The guy's just got a lot of talent/potential. That's all there is to it. Trying to come up with convoluted explanations just to avoid debate over Vader's power and place in the universe isn't worth the trouble. Besides, debate and controversy are good publicity. Just look at Marvel's "Civil War" crossover.
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Ulicus
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Jmacq1 posted:
Remember folks, this game is for comparative "Star Wars Noobs" as for anyone else. Start tossing out things like "Sith Alchemy" and whatnot and the vast majority of casual fans aren't going to say, "Whoa, that's cool." They're going to say, "Uh...what?"
Keep it simple. The guy's just got a lot of talent/potential. That's all there is to it. Trying to come up with convoluted explanations just to avoid debate over Vader's power and place in the universe isn't worth the trouble. Besides, debate and controversy are good publicity. Just look at Marvel's "Civil War" crossover.
I think even the casual fan could understand: "Vader created him"
Genetic experiments and the like are a staple of Sci-Fi. It's not exactly "convoluted". You don't even have to mention "Sith Alchemy" in game.
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Jmacq1
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Ulicus posted:
Jmacq1 posted:
Remember folks, this game is for comparative "Star Wars Noobs" as for anyone else. Start tossing out things like "Sith Alchemy" and whatnot and the vast majority of casual fans aren't going to say, "Whoa, that's cool." They're going to say, "Uh...what?"
Keep it simple. The guy's just got a lot of talent/potential. That's all there is to it. Trying to come up with convoluted explanations just to avoid debate over Vader's power and place in the universe isn't worth the trouble. Besides, debate and controversy are good publicity. Just look at Marvel's "Civil War" crossover.
I think even the casual fan could understand: "Vader created him"
Genetic experiments and the like are a staple of Sci-Fi. It's not exactly "convoluted". You don't even have to mention "Sith Alchemy" in game.
Yeah, except now instead of people being a little bit upset over the "two Jedi parents equals uber-power" bit, you've got 5 times as many people frothing at the mouth that gene-splicing can create an uber-Force User, bringing up the oh-so-obvious question of: Why didn't Palpatine just clone Anakin, then, or splice his genes with himself, for that matter?
Your "solution" creates as many problems as it solves, in other words.
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Ulicus
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3/12 6:16am
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Jmacq1 posted:
Yeah, except now instead of people being a little bit upset over the "two Jedi parents equals uber-power" bit, you've got 5 times as many people frothing at the mouth that gene-splicing can create an uber-Force User
The idea of "midi-chlorian manipulation to create life" has already been thrown about in canon. Why not manipulating the midi-chlorians of a being already living, via Alchemy?
I'm not saying it would make him Skywalker-class. *Shrug* Or that just anyone would be able to pull it off.
Jmacq1 posted:
bringing up the oh-so-obvious question of: Why didn't Palpatine just clone Anakin
That's already an "oh-so-obvious" question. Why didn't he just clone Anakin?
There's clone madness, sure, if he accelerates the growth... but I still don't understand why he didn't have a clone growing up in the background that he could have raised from birth. If clone madness still applies then, well, we have our answer whatever.
Jmacq1 posted:
or splice his genes with himself, for that matter?
Maybe he did. 
Edit: Though the original idea was this kind of thing was something that had to be done before the child was even born. Whilst it was growing the womb/vat/whatever.
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Your "solution" creates as many problems as it solves, in other words.
I don't see it.
Edit: Really, my problem is that if they're going to "explain" why he's so powerful, they should make it interesting or *not bother*. I'd be happier with "he got lucky" than, "oh it's becuase both his parents were Jedi". Sure, sometimes that results in stronger-than-average guys... and sometimes he doesn't. So why is it the reason for his being so powerful?
The reason he was guaranteed to be Force Sensitive? Sure, I could buy that. The reason he's so talented? Uh, not so much. So, for now, I'm just going go with: "he struck gold and is more gifted than both his parents combined".
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DarkScythe
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3/12 6:27am
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Ulicus posted:
Jmacq1 posted:
Yeah, except now instead of people being a little bit upset over the "two Jedi parents equals uber-power" bit, you've got 5 times as many people frothing at the mouth that gene-splicing can create an uber-Force User
The idea of "midi-chlorian manipulation to create life" has already been thrown about in canon. Why not manipulating the midi-chlorians of a being already living, via Alchemy?
I'm not saying it would make him Skywalker-class. *Shrug* Or that just anyone would be able to pull it off.
It's even canon that you can manipulate midi levels. That's what happened to Vjun the entire population was rendered force sensetive and it drove them all crazy. Vader also had a castle on Vjun so it's possible he'd have been able to learn how they did it and used it on an already force sensetive person.
Ulicus posted:
Jmacq1 posted:
bringing up the oh-so-obvious question of: Why didn't Palpatine just clone Anakin
That's already an "oh-so-obvious" question. Why didn't he just clone Anakin?
There's clone madness, sure, if he accelerates the growth... but I still don't understand why he didn't have a clone growing up in the background that he could have raised from birth. If clone madness still applies then, well, we have our answer whatever.
I kinda like the fan theory that Clones of force sensetives as a rule turn out less force sensetive perhaps it takes multiple attempts to get a clone that is close to the original in power. It would explain why the Galaxy of Fear Vader clone wasn't that impressive. Of course to be fair it could just be the faulty conditioning leaving it unaware it could do more than the original vader.
Clones being less sensetive though could also help explain why the Emperor's clones started burning out as soon as he possesed them as his powerful spirit operated on levels the cloned bodies couldn't handle. Might explain why he wanted a Skywalker body even if it was a baby.
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Ulicus posted:
I still prefer the idea of him having been a creation of Darth Vader. Or a kid into whom Darth Vader spliced parts of himself into so as to make him stronger.
I was hoping Vader would just hook-up some sort of syphon to a vein, and just pump his midichlorians right into the SA's bloodstream. A Vader transfusion, so that way... when the SA whines, bitches, and moans about being a darksider, it'll all make sense! 
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Correct me if i'm wrong but everyones getting wound up about this "two jedi parents = awesomeness" even though it came from a magazine source, quoted from a person rather than IU, and the exact quote didn't even mention midichlorians? Personally i've always taken it for granted that a Force user born of two Force Sensitive parents would potentially be more powerful. What makes everyone think its not still partly random chance that makes him as dangerous as he is?
Another point is that he is a Force user with lots of potential, trained in the dark side from his toddler years by none other than Darth Vader himself. Force potential + 10 years of dark side training under one of the most powerful of the era = pretty awesome no?
As to genetic splices and cloning: No thanks. 
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Corusca_One posted:
Another point is that he is a Force user with lots of potential, trained in the dark side from his toddler years by none other than Darth Vader himself. Force potential + 10 years of dark side training under one of the most powerful of the era = pretty awesome no?
Pretty awesome sure.
I start to quibble when that becomes: "better than Darth Vader" unless there's some other factor at play.
Corusca_One posted:
As to genetic splices and cloning: No thanks.
Vader being a documented Sith Alchemist would be cool in my book, and help stop Sith being seen as "Dark Jedi... but with a special code". Ah well, different strokes.
Cloning, I agree, would suck.
Vader attempting to artificially recreate the child he lost, on the other hand, breaking every law of nature as he did it? Dark, twisted and sick.
I'd love it. 
Alas, not to be.
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Ulicus posted:
Corusca_One posted:
Another point is that he is a Force user with lots of potential, trained in the dark side from his toddler years by none other than Darth Vader himself. Force potential + 10 years of dark side training under one of the most powerful of the era = pretty awesome no?
Pretty awesome sure.
I start to quibble when that becomes: "better than Darth Vader" unless there's some other factor at play.
Is there anyone actually advocating that the SA should be considered more powerful than Vader?
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Jmacq1
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BobaMatt posted:
Ulicus posted:
Corusca_One posted:
Another point is that he is a Force user with lots of potential, trained in the dark side from his toddler years by none other than Darth Vader himself. Force potential + 10 years of dark side training under one of the most powerful of the era = pretty awesome no?
Pretty awesome sure.
I start to quibble when that becomes: "better than Darth Vader" unless there's some other factor at play.
Is there anyone actually advocating that the SA should be considered more powerful than Vader?
No, it's mostly thus-far unfounded complaints about something that hasn't happened yet (the presumption that the Secret Apprentice will defeat Vader at the end of the game). Admittedly, the presumption seems pretty likely if the "Battle Damaged Darth Vader" figure that accompanies the toy line is any indication. Not to mention the fact that we've already seen the SA perform a trick with the Force that Vader's never even come close to matching (the yanking down of yon Star Destroyer).
Plus there have actually been multiple comments from earlier in the game's development mentioning the Secret Apprentice "becoming more powerful than Vader and the Emperor." However as I recall the comments are not from sources that have any sort of "final say" on canon events, and from what I've seen a good bit of that talk has been toned down in more recent months.
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