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The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 (No Spoilers)
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darth_Boba
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5/19 2:43pm
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RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
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BobaMatt posted:
Oh well. I just hope the naughtiness lasts a while before embarking on the path to - ugh - good.
Well, there is some kind of Dark Side ending, so you should be able to do some evil, ugnaught-punting deeds before you become Mando-Boushh at the end.
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Zorrixor
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5/19 2:54pm
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darth_Boba posted:
BobaMatt posted:
Oh well. I just hope the naughtiness lasts a while before embarking on the path to - ugh - good.
Well, there is some kind of Dark Side ending, so you should be able to do some evil, ugnaught-punting deeds before you become Mando-Boushh at the end.
If the bulk of the game is being a nice guy though then it will probably be your typical last minute switcheroo where the dark side ending is contrived. 
What I hope is that throughout the game you get to choose whether to let the Jedi Masters live or die.  That would at least keep up the feeling of choice, particuarly if it influenced your conversations with Kota and perhaps Juno too. Even if Starkiller leads an offensive against the Empire, no reason why he necessarily need be all goody-goody about it.
I'm starting to get a niggling feeling that the people who said the point of the game is going to be showing Vader you can turn away from the dark side were right though.
Its not that its a bad thing... just that its, well... been done. I was really hoping for something original where you were this murderous psycho struggling with your inner psyche. I guess I was holding out too much hope though to expect the game might end ambiguously with any 'full redemption' not happening until TFU2.
Oh well. On the plus side I suppose it at least will be a positive story for a change. The way most of the novels and things are these days I guess maybe happy endings are actually the original option after all. 
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BobaMatt
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5/19 5:01pm
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darth_Boba posted:
BobaMatt posted:
Oh well. I just hope the naughtiness lasts a while before embarking on the path to - ugh - good.
Well, there is some kind of Dark Side ending, so you should be able to do some evil, ugnaught-punting deeds before you become Mando-Boushh at the end.
Darth Mandoboushh. I like it.
Re: your sig. I actually had a conversation with someone about that the other day. They'd named a starship design the Rim Wanderer and I had terrible, terrible Oz flashbacks.
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TogashiAikune
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BobaMatt posted:
Ulicus posted:
BobaMatt posted:
He hasn't risked his life: all the Emperor requests of him is that he kill his apprentice.
Sure, and Vader's really lucky that's all that happened and probably went back to his chamber to count his blessings.
Perhaps. I think it's equally likely that Vader knows where he stands. Furthermore, Sith apprentices are supposed to find ways to kill their master. Ambition is not a bad thing for them, and let's not forget that Rhett's not the last apprentice that Vader's forced to give up - he gives Lumiya to the Emperor when the Emperor begins to realize that he's training her. Being made to slay his apprentice is humiliating, it's a demonstration of the time and effort wasted, and it says, "Nice try. Better luck next time."
Am I the only one who notices how similar this is to what happened with Tao? The Emperor finds out and makes Vader slay his apprentice aboard the Executor.
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sabarte
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Sidious also orders Dooku to take out Komari Vosa, and drops pretty broad hints about Asajj. He's on top of such things.
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Rogue_Follower
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He also asks Luke to kill Vader...
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Corusca_One
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If they ever do write the story of Plagieus and Sidious then it'll probably turn out he's bitter after having been made to kill his own secret apprentice. In revenge he murdered his Muun Master in his sleep.
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sithreaper
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The Apprentice is the photo negative of Luke Skywalker. He's been raised by Darth Vader, and is what Luke would have become if he had joined his father. Vader's not a very nice daddy. This guy has been raised to be a Jedi. When the Jedi use the Force, they respect it and don't overuse it. The bad guys - the Sith - keep testing their limits. Vader discovered this person who had the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. He's up there with the top tier. He's extremely powerful. Vader has trained him in such a way that he just kept pushing his limitations, seeing how far he could use the Force. So, where a normal Jedi might use the Force to trick his way past a few stormtroopers, the apprentice might use the Force to bring down an adjacent building on top of those stormtroopers. He's extremely confident in everything he does. He's been trained by Vader to be an assassin, an unstoppable force.
―Haden Blackman[src]
So Starkiller is top tier, so that would explain the ego.
Has anyone noticed that in a rather subtle way the star wars team are trying to make it clear that others can compete with the Skywalkers power levels, probably because they realise the hole they’ve put themselves in by making them demi gods.
For example in the Star Wars Saga edition RPG they have done away with the Skywalker bloodline and just given the Skywalkers the “strong in the force” feat, a feat which is shared by Yoda & Starkiller.
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Ulicus
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5/20 5:32am
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Well, if you ignore Lucas' multitude of quotes outside the films, the implication from the movies themselves is just that the Skywalkers find it easier to master the Force, rather than them being the only people who can. If there's a ceiling, it's the same for everyone. The Skywalkers just have an easier time of getting there and can overtake the people who started out ahead of them while they do it.
Also, Luke's incredibly powerful, but not so powerful that he can't be challenged by the likes of Lumiya - who is "more machine than woman" and so supposedly the weaker for it. Damn, I wish this game was Lumiya centric.
The TPM novel can even be read in such a way that it implies midi-chlorian counts wax and wane.
"Anakin had a midi-chlorian count of [howevermany] blah blah blah - which gave him a connection to the Force even Jedi Masters like Yoda might never be able to obtain"
If the connection is variable, and the connection is directly tied to the midi-chlorians, then surely a midi-chlorian count is variable too.
It makes sense. We've got a billion EU sources that state that people can "grow stronger" with the Force, what if it's a cycle?
Sensitivity to greater strength to greater sensitivity to greater strength and so on and so forth.
Maybe Yoda earnt his midi-chlorian count. 
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Am I the only one who notices how similar this is to what happened with Tao? The Emperor finds out and makes Vader slay his apprentice aboard the Executor.
Nope, it came to my mind... but I like to pretend Tao didn't happen.
Actually, I kinda hope that this whole thing is the *real* "Tao Story", since the one featured in the anime - I continue to maintain - wasn't great (Vader tears up over a kid when he's supposed to be evil, and nearly gets taken out by a Force Sensitive tusken raider), and was an infinities tale that shouldn't have been canonised (technically, it hasn't been yet, since Vader's Legacy has yet to be released. Which is upsetting because, Tao aside, it sounds like an awesome article). Sure, they forgot to stick INFINITIES on the front of the UK cover, but so what? It was all over every other country's cover, and it appeared next to the names of the credited artists in the UK edition. )
If Rhett ends up being the rebooted/retold Tao story, albeit "Unleashed, Amped Up and Out of Control" I'd actually be pretty impressed. "Tao" sounds like someone who could be the kid of "Kento", to boot.
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maderic
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I'm actually really worried about the tone of the game being too light, as well. There should be no conflict within Starkiller about his allegiance and his affiliation within the Force; he's never known good. How can he be redeemed if he was never really good to begin with? He'd be...deemed to the lightside.
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BobaMatt
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Rogue_Follower posted:
He also asks Luke to kill Vader...
1) If Luke joins Vader, game over.
2) If Luke stays good, game over.
His best chance at that moment of not dying is getting Luke to join him. He doesn't want Tao or the SA. He finds a use for Lumiya, but Vader's the better apprentice. There's no reason to kill Luke unless he can't be turned.
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maderic
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Also, where'd the use of "Rhett" come from in regards to Starkiller (of which, I'm certain that's just his codename)?
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BobaMatt
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It's a nickname, short for "Secret." (Seek-RHETT.)
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Ulicus
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It's a joke.
SecRET apprentice = Rhett. I can't remember who came up with it.
The "Silly Annoyance" is another one I was once rather fond of, but I've toned it down. 
Edit: Matt beat me.
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With a stick.
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