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Earthknight Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 9/26/07 9:45am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	The game probably would've been better if Vader was the main star and the SA just didn't exist. But hey, it is what it is and the game looks fun. -----signature----- Master to jacensolofangirl2007 Our philosophy: We strive for a 100 in awesomeness. And if we get a 90, it's still cool. ~My Fanfiction Stories~ The Guardians of Light- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=259245
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SephyCloneNo15 Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 9/26/07 10:08am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Pfft, Vader's just a sick old man in an iron mask... -----signature----- Member: GDG, GMG. Sub-GM: CDG Zam Wessel Lives! Recipient of Thrawn McEwok's Squib Creations Limited-Edition Replica Glove of Darth Vader™ "Samuel L. Jackson isn't only a fine actor, but a gamer. He's one of us." ~ Kotaku
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LtNOWIS Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 9/26/07 12:25pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Um, I know everyone wants Vader to be extremely powerful and Sithly and all that, but what is the actual basis for it beyond our own notions of what we'd like him to be? -----signature----- A little bit about me: http://tinyurl.com/bnmcck
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/26/07 12:57pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 9/26/07 12:58pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	LtNOWIS posted: Um, I know everyone wants Vader to be extremely powerful and Sithly and all that, but what is the actual basis for it beyond our own notions of what we'd like him to be? Actually, I don't think that defeating him necessarilly means anything. Vader is still the 2nd most powerful Sith Lord of all time. It's just the fact that the Secret Apprentice is able to fight him to a stand still. Secret Apprentice is supposed to be important to the Saga, even if he's a new retconned character. I think people are having difficulty adjusting to the game's stance: "This is Vader's heir. He's Vader's No. 1 Guy and the guy whose going to rule the galaxy with them when they kill Palpatine." Especially with Flint and Lumiya. It's like, suddenly, Jerec and Lord Cronal have this guy who could whoop their ass that we've never heard of.
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Barriss_Coffee Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 9/26/07 2:31pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Charlemagne19 posted: It's like, suddenly, Jerec and Lord Cronal have this guy who could whoop their ass that we've never heard of. I would be endlessly happy if he turned out to be Cronal. Ah.... wishful thinking. -----signature----- SAN HILL LIVES!
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/26/07 2:54pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Barriss_Coffee posted: Charlemagne19 posted: It's like, suddenly, Jerec and Lord Cronal have this guy who could whoop their ass that we've never heard of. I would be endlessly happy if he turned out to be Cronal. Ah.... wishful thinking. Siring Sarris might be a bit weird.
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Jmacq1 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 9/26/07 4:03pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	LtNOWIS posted: Um, I know everyone wants Vader to be extremely powerful and Sithly and all that, but what is the actual basis for it beyond our own notions of what we'd like him to be? There's a simple explanation: If there were people with the level of Force Ability that the Secret Apprentice displays (which is overtly more powerful than anything we've really seen Vader do...ever) then Vader wouldn't have survived as the other "Sith Lord" as long as he did. The whole point was supposed to be that Luke was the only viable candidate to replace Vader as the Sith Apprentice. Now...he's not. The Dark Side was supposed to "forever dominate your destiny" but now...it doesn't. In a nutshell, if Vader wasn't the second most-powerful Force User active (key word) in the galaxy at the time, it kind of defeats the purpose of him retaining his position as long as he did.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/26/07 4:23pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	In a nutshell, if Vader wasn't the second most-powerful Force User active (key word) in the galaxy at the time, it kind of defeats the purpose of him retaining his position as long as he did. Couple of points... 1. Vader gets cool points by proxy since Vader taught SA all this stuff. 2. Vader clearly survives.
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 9/26/07 4:45pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	The Empire taught Madine and Solo and Ackbar all their stuff, and it survived, but the Battle of Endor didn't exactly make the Empire seem very badass, did it? It's like when Kyp was claimed to be more powerful than Luke: it may make enough sense rationally, but it immediately provokes a response from anyone who's been following the characterization and the fundamental setup of the universe and makes them go "This should not be so." While it's better that the SA deliver a hell of a fight than some random non-uber-powerful yahoo Vader didn't train himself, it's still fundamentally hard to swallow because Vader is over his suit issues, his Jedi issues. He's the Dark Lord of the Sith and the ultimate badass in the galaxy right now. His role in the universe is to hand out massive beatings without breaking a sweat. I think people would prefer that the SA be played up on his own merits rather than at the expense of Vader. And I honestly don't think gamers would be that opposed to an "OMG Darth Vader is the Ultimate Badass!" ending. Especially if they got to hand out the beating themselves. But a cutscene where Vader just walks up and instantly Force-dominates the SA . . . now that right there is Star Wars gold in its purest form. Of course, we won't get it because the gamers have to have their fun . . . but I like it better from a storytelling perspective. Too bad games aren't more concerned with storytelling. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/26/07 4:57pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 9/26/07 5:00pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	Actually, weirdly, I always felt the Stormtrooper Core became cooler because Madine and Kyle Katarn were members of it. But a cutscene where Vader just walks up and instantly Force-dominates the SA . . . now that right there is Star Wars gold in its purest form. Then, Darth Vader is a completely crappy teacher? How would you feel if Obi Wan was able to do that to Anakin? Again, the Secret Apprentice is supposed to be THE apprentice. The guy that Vader bestowed all of his secrets but the ones that keep him the Master. But if Vader is 80% of Palpatine, I think SA is easily supposed to be 60%. I.e. He's No. 3 on the entire Dark Side chart in the Empire. Could Vader instantly own Jerec or Joruus C'Boath? No, I think not, though SA could probably beat both of them because he's the Dark Lord of the Sith that hasn't been crowned.
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Barriss_Coffee Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 9/26/07 6:11pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Charlemagne19 posted: Barriss_Coffee posted: Charlemagne19 posted: It's like, suddenly, Jerec and Lord Cronal have this guy who could whoop their ass that we've never heard of. I would be endlessly happy if he turned out to be Cronal. Ah.... wishful thinking. Siring Sarris might be a bit weird. If the game starts early in the Dark Times era, maybe he and Juno got busy right away. Actually, Sariss does look a little like Juno. Dammit, when does National Retcon Week Start? -----signature----- SAN HILL LIVES!
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Jmacq1 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 9/26/07 6:34pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 9/26/07 6:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jmacq1
	Charlemagne19 posted: In a nutshell, if Vader wasn't the second most-powerful Force User active (key word) in the galaxy at the time, it kind of defeats the purpose of him retaining his position as long as he did. Couple of points... 1. Vader gets cool points by proxy since Vader taught SA all this stuff. 2. Vader clearly survives. 1. Do we give Obi-Wan cool points by proxy because he taught Anakin Skywalker? Not really. If the Apprentice turns away from Vader's teaching, than Vader has failed as a teacher just as much (in his own way) as Obi-Wan did. Cool points cancelled. 2. Vader survives, obviously, but that doesn't mean he can't be made to look weak, ineffectual, or basically get his arse handed to him in a variety of ways along the way. After all, what better sign of "redemption" than to defeat one's former Dark Side Master, then refuse to kill him? It's not like such situations haven't been a linchpin of "redemption" and "turning" scenes more than once in the movie trilogy....oh wait. Vader gets slapped down, Secret Apprentice runs off to make babies with Juno. or Vader gets slapped down, The Emperor saves his butt and offs the uppity little Apprentice who refuses to return to the Dark Side. The mirror of the RotJ Throne Room scene, only this time Vader does nothing, and his "son" dies while he watches. Or perhaps more likely the Apprentice appears to die, only to sneak off and go make babies with Juno. or Vader gets slapped down, killed, and the SA becomes the new Sith Lord (obviously a non-canon ending). Either way, I find it highly unlikely that the game designers will not include a climactic confrontation with Vader, and not allow the player to defeat him. The game is marketed to gamers as much as SW Fans, and while SW Fans might love to see Vader kick booty, gamers want to kick booty themselves, and pulling the rug from under them and letting them play Vader while he slaps down the Apprentice, while a possibility, doesn't seem likely to me either. Unless they make the SA the most unlikeable character since well...Anakin himself, the gamers aren't going to appreciate riding along on this character's story just so he can get killed/slapped down in the end due to a switcheroo. As for timeframes, I'm guessing about at the "halfway" mark between Episode III and IV. The implication is that Vader has raised the Apprentice from a pretty young age, I think. Or at least had him under his thumb for a few years.
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IcePirate Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 9/26/07 7:50pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Barriss_Coffee posted: Charlemagne19 posted: Barriss_Coffee posted: [quote=Charlemagne19]It's like, suddenly, Jerec and Lord Cronal have this guy who could whoop their ass that we've never heard of. I would be endlessly happy if he turned out to be Cronal. Ah.... wishful thinking. Siring Sarris might be a bit weird. If the game starts early in the Dark Times era, maybe he and Juno got busy right away. Actually, Sariss does look a little like Juno. Dammit, when does National Retcon Week Start?[/quote] ohpleaseohpleaseohplease -----signature----- ---Sure, the Marines are a Dept. of the Navy. The Men's Dept.--- One riot, One Dark Trooper.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/26/07 8:01pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Lord Cronal is an old man in a mechano-chair and described as a former Jedi Master. He's not him. The Secret Apprentice might be Shadowspawn, but given its a story of redemption, that's unlikely.
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Lord_Hydronium Title: Literature Gardener Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 9/26/07 8:05pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 9/26/07 8:07pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
	Charlemagne19 posted: Lord Cronal is an old man in a mechano-chair and described as a former Jedi Master. No he wasn't. He was rumored to have been an assistant in the Archives. One of many rumors, I should note. -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
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