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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/4/07 1:31am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	They'd never do it, but I think it'd be really cool if "There is YET ANOTHER STILL." In this case, Darth Vader using alchemy to create the son he never had. And Luke has some half-brother out there.
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Jmacq1 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/4/07 4:57am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Now that would certainly be a bombshell almost on par with ESB. I have to wonder if Lucas would authorize something like that though...or let such a character survive (in the "canon" ending that is) if he did.
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Froggy22651 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 10/5/07 11:14am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	I initially was bothered by the apparently insane powers of the Secret Apprentice, but the idea has grown on me. I don't mind if he seems "more powerful" than Vader or the Emperor. (although that's not true, as I'll get into) The Force isn't just midichlorean counts and power levels, after all. It's the very binding stuff of the universe that, after tens of thousands of years, the Jedi still do not fully understand and likely never will. The mind and belief in limitations are just as important as how many little organisms in your cells you are born with. As has been shown, also, different Jedi have different specific strengths and weaknesses. The Secret Apprentice has some very flashy, very destructive skills. His specialty seems to be killing everything in sight. He's very physical, and he has no subtlety. That's his weakness. A brute like him could never conquer the galaxy, although he'd do plenty of damage in the attempt. Another Force-user could try taking him out Mara Jade assassin style by pinching off the blood flow to his brain, because as Luke put it, Jedi do not perform well without oxygen. Then there's another thing to consider: The guy must be making so much Force noise- the equivalent of a rock concert going on next to a space shuttle launch during an earthquake in the midst of a nuclear firestorm- that he might not notice that sniper a mile away that is taking aim at his head. Perhaps the person with the best chance of taking him down would be his polar opposite: Corran Horn. Sure, Corran's poor telekinetic skills might leave him squashed, but just the same, between his endlessly useful energy absorption ability and his mad mind trick skills, the fight could end with the Secret Apprentice accidentally dropping a very heavy object on his own head. The Secret Apprentice is just another Darth Maul, except instead of using a lightsaber as his tool of destruction, he prefers telekinesis and lightning. He's Darth Vader's experiment in creating a glorified Force-fueled guided weapon system. It makes sense, considering Vader's values and personality traits.
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Ackbar_Van_Gungan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 10/5/07 11:21am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	I am going to reserve judgement because it seems like the storyline got a lot of attention (even from The Flanneledd One himself). However, the ridiculous Force powers do strike me as somewhat strange. We will see though... -The Rebel Gungan -----signature----- My SFF blog: http://www.yetistomper.blogspot.com/ 1st Post= Golden Ewok™ No Prize! Unfortunate Sacred Slab of the Church of Waru -Curator of the Byss Orbiting Holographic History of Space Flight Museum
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 10/5/07 12:48pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Froggy22651 posted: The mind and belief in limitations are just as important as how many little organisms in your cells you are born with. As has been shown, also, different Jedi have different specific strengths and weaknesses. So their weaknesses are tangible and not a mere matter of belief in limitations? -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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Froggy22651 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 10/5/07 2:26pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 10/5/07 2:27pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Froggy22651
	It's a little of both, really. Obviously, someone with a lower midichlorean count is going to have a harder time acheiving the level of power of someone with a high count, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. Since people are not all the same, naturally they'll be better at differing things. Going back to the influence of the mind, if you're spacially-minded and have a good grasp of physics, telekinesis may come more easily to you than others. If you're empathetic and have an intuitive understanding of psychology, mind tricks could be a breeze for you. But just because those things are easy for you, and other things are harder, doesn't mean you can't get good at the harder things. The Force can overcome all limitations. Theoretically, if you were able to let go of all preconceived notions and truly believe there are no limits, you could do anything. Theoretically. Of course, by that point, you'd see no reason in doing anything, your body would do the disapeering act, and you'd become one with the Force. Heh. Of course, the reality is that our minds often have limitations that we can never truly surpass, and that's why Force users don't become unstoppable gods. The closest anyone has come to that has likely been Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda at the time of their physical deaths.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 10/5/07 2:31pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Froggy22651 posted: It's a little of both, really. Obviously, someone with a lower midichlorean count is going to have a harder time acheiving the level of power of someone with a high count, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. That's a nice thought for an alternate sci-fi universe but it's not canon in Star Wars. In the canonical GFFA, some sentients have the potential to become Jedi, and others do not. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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Froggy22651 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 10/5/07 2:41pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 10/5/07 2:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Froggy22651
	Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Maybe the Jedi won't accept everyone, although it's perfectly plausible for someone to follow their teachings anyway. And the Jedi don't have a monopoly on the Force. Ultimately, it's all up to what the Force decides, not them. We've seen regular people pull off feats that would make Jedi blush with envy, and all the midichloreans in the world didn't keep Anakin Skywalker from receiving the beating of a lifetime on Mustafar. He got a lot more than his ego bruised, if you know what I mean. You must unlearn what you have learned. The GFFA is a vast world full of possibilities, and saying that something just "can't be done" isn't doing it justice. Edit: But as I said before, just because something could possibly maybe sorta happen eventually doesn't mean that it will happen. We're only human, after all. And if you want a good brain-twister, wrap your mind around this: Are people strong in the Force because they have a high midichlorean count, or do they have a high midichlorean count because they are strong in the Force?
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 10/5/07 2:54pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Froggy22651 posted: Maybe the Jedi won't accept everyone, although it's perfectly plausible for someone to follow their teachings anyway. And the Jedi don't have a monopoly on the Force. I used "Jedi potential" as an example of a benchmark for potential Force use. I could just as easily have said "Sith potential". Froggy22651 posted: We've seen regular people pull off feats that would make Jedi blush with envy So what? That in no way implies that people with minimal midichlorian counts could achieve Yoda's level of Force power. You must unlearn what you have written into the saga of your own volition. One suggestion would be to watch TPM or read the script. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/5/07 3:54pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Froggy22651 posted: It's a little of both, really. Obviously, someone with a lower midichlorean count is going to have a harder time acheiving the level of power of someone with a high count, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. That's a nice thought for an alternate sci-fi universe but it's not canon in Star Wars. In the canonical GFFA, some sentients have the potential to become Jedi, and others do not. Well, its canon that Jedi can make anyone have the Force. It's not just rarely done. 1. Eppie Belden 2. Karrde's Old Boss Etc.
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Robal_Krahl Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 10/5/07 4:06pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	Charlemagne19 posted: Arawn_Fenn posted: Froggy22651 posted: It's a little of both, really. Obviously, someone with a lower midichlorean count is going to have a harder time acheiving the level of power of someone with a high count, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. That's a nice thought for an alternate sci-fi universe but it's not canon in Star Wars. In the canonical GFFA, some sentients have the potential to become Jedi, and others do not. Well, its canon that Jedi can make anyone have the Force. It's not just rarely done. 1. Eppie Belden 2. Karrde's Old Boss Etc. Not to mention Palpatine giving the Force to his Dark Side Adepts. -----signature----- Dark Lord of the DLC Roar, son.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/5/07 4:09pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	I think it's the case with the Jedi only recruit those with Force Potential that's registering on their Richter scale. Uldir Lochett is another example of a guy who had no Force Potential but Luke managed to help him develop "Good Luck"
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 10/5/07 4:34pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 10/5/07 4:56pm (9 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Froggy22651 posted: We've seen regular people pull off feats that would make Jedi blush with envy So what? That in no way implies that people with minimal midichlorian counts could achieve Yoda's level of Force power. You must unlearn what you have written into the saga of your own volition. One suggestion would be to watch TPM or read the script. I don't think Froggy is saying that. I believe his point is that all the Force power in the world didn't stop Palpatine being shot in the back by Han Solo. The SA is a bomb to another Sith's sniper rifle. Both kill you all the same, one involves mass damage, the other finesse. Personally I like the basic point he's getting at, that the SA clearly is very external, his Force use is in a massive destructive scale, meaning he probably is less adept at the finer things in life, you probably wouldn't see much "art of the small" from him, etc. Bombs certainly get the job done, but it doesn't mean they can't be defused. Darth Vader might not be that "outward" in his Force use, he may not drag Star Destroyers out of the sky, but when he can choke you from half the galaxy away he doesn't need to be that explosive, he gets the job done all the same. Of course, the reverse is also true, nothing stops you dropping a bomb on a sniper's head. There are certainly limitations to the idea (i.e. people on Palpatine's scale having surpassed pretty much all limits and boundaries) but it does make sense that being that explosive is not necessarily any better than, say, people like the Jedi Covenant being completely the reverse and inward looking. There are pros and cons of both approaches to the Force, the explosive approach just is a whole lot more, well, explosive and easier to appreciate, more seductive and all that. It's the whole light side vs dark side argument in a way, but rather explosive dark side vs subtle dark side, Kaan vs Bane, etc. It reminds me of a nice line from Visas in KOTOR2. In reference to Darth Nihilus she says something like "we are like ants beneath his notice". Nihilus makes the naive and fatal error of no longer caring about creatures "less powerful" than him, only to discover the power to suck the life out of an entire planet was no help against a single lightsaber blade. In the end it comes down to power corrupts, the SA may be all powerful but his overconfidence could prove to be his weakness if he starts thinking he's stronger than Palpatine just because he can shove him into the next galaxy, forgetting Palpatine could kill him with a single thought before he got the chance.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/5/07 4:47pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
	What? I would assume Darth Vader can pull Star Destroyers out of the sky just like his apprentice. Anyone have a problem with that?
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 10/5/07 4:54pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 10/5/07 4:56pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	Charlemagne19 posted: What? I would assume Darth Vader can pull Star Destroyers out of the sky just like his apprentice. Anyone have a problem with that? Yeah, he probably could. The point was even if he couldn't (as people apparently seem to believe with all the "the SA is too powerful! He can't be stronger than Vader or Palpatine!" talk) it wouldn't necessary make the SA better than him, as being able to drag Star Destroyers out of the sky shouldn't automatically be a sign that you're the most powerful Force user in history, as there's more to life than being able to pull Star Destroyers out of the sky.
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