Author Topic: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 (and beyond?)
Havoc_Wing  420 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 8:32am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Counterpoint: the DE trilogy was released before TPM was even in pre-production.

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_Catherine_  1038 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 9:10am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Arawn_Fenn posted:
The point was D E conflicts with the PT.
So does the OT! cry

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 10:12am Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Havoc_Wing posted:
Oh god, not another 'DE/DE2/EE sucks!' post...yes, we get the point.


That's strange because I never said "DE sucks". The point was DE conflicts with the PT.

How?

Whatever way you look at it, Anakin destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force.

Whether you choose to believe that everything became unbalanced again upon the return of Palpatine/the Sith is up to you - it doesn't stop Anakin from having fulfilled the generally accepted terms of the prophesy to the letter.

To take a quote from Buffy and make it apply to the Sith:

Jedi: You were destroyed!
Sith: We got better.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10400 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 1:05pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 10/9/07 1:07pm (4 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Ulicus posted:

Whatever way you look at it, Anakin destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force.


In what way did Anakin Skywalker destroy the Sith in Empire's End? Was this some kind of NEC retcon? frustrated

If you accept EE and the prophecy, then Empatojayos Brand was the Chosen One. Or was it Han Solo? laugh

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 1:10pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Ulicus posted:

Whatever way you look at it, Anakin destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force.


In what way did Anakin Skywalker destroy the Sith in Empire's End? Was this some kind of NEC retcon? frustrated

If you accept EE and the prophecy, then Empatojayos Brand was the Chosen One. Or was it Han Solo? laugh


I guess Legacy contradicts with the PT too. The Sith are back in full force by then.

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 1:15pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Ulicus posted:

Whatever way you look at it, Anakin destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force.


In what way did Anakin Skywalker destroy the Sith in Empire's End?

If you accept EE and the prophecy, then Empatojayos Brand is the Chosen One. Or is it Han Solo?
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You've missed my point.

Anakin Skywalker destroyed the Sith.

They then came back.

The Prophesy doesn't cover what happens after balance is restored. It doesn't say, "balance will be restored forevermore" or "The Sith will never return". It's a snapshot of one moment where there is balance and, quite possibly, no Sith.

My, personal, take on the whole matter is that Palpatine was THE Sith who was directly unbalancing the Force through his own power. How do I reconcile this with his return? Well, he returned weaker than he had previously been and was unable to shroud and unbalance the Force as he once had.

All I'm saying is that even if you think that's crazy and that balance just means "No Sith, period", Vader DID fulfill the prophecy. By the time Brand/Solo killed Palps, Lumiya was probably well trained enough to call herself a Sith (and be right) and thus no prophecy is fulfilled at all.

 

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Darth_Sabith  2886 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 1:18pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
I always looked at it in the since that Balance meaning causing the Light and Darkside to be even. Thus Vader brought Balance when it was just Vader and Palps for sith. Yoda and Obi-wan then yes Vader brought Balance and when he died the balance was kept because of Luymia

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10400 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 1:20pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Ulicus posted:
All I'm saying is that even if you think that's crazy and that balance just means "No Sith, period", Vader DID fulfill the prophecy. By the time Brand/Solo killed Palps, Lumiya was probably well trained enough to call herself a Sith (and be right) and thus no prophecy is fulfilled at all.


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Arawn_Fenn  10400 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 1:23pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Darth_Sabith posted:
I always looked at it in the since that Balance meaning causing the Light and Darkside to be even. Thus Vader brought Balance when it was just Vader and Palps for sith. Yoda and Obi-wan then yes Vader brought Balance and when he died the balance was kept because of Luymia


That's not the canonical definition of the balance. And it doesn't make sense, either. Why would the Jedi speak expectantly of "balancing the Force" if it meant equating the numbers of dark and light siders?

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 1:29pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 10/9/07 1:34pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Ulicus posted:
All I'm saying is that even if you think that's crazy and that balance just means "No Sith, period", Vader DID fulfill the prophecy. By the time Brand/Solo killed Palps, Lumiya was probably well trained enough to call herself a Sith (and be right) and thus no prophecy is fulfilled at all.


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Anakin kills Palpatine.

There are now no Sith and balance is restored. Prophecy fulfilled. That's the end of its involvement.

Palpatine returns.

Palpatine is killed again.

Does DE detract from the prophecy? Yes. Does it invalidate it? No.

I mean, gosh, since we know that canonically the prophecy WAS fulfilled, and since we know that Palpatine has returned *anyway* in canon, they might as well bring him back again at some point. whistling

Edit:
This is the Buffy comparison I mentioned earlier:

The Master kills Buffy via drowning. Her heart stops and she's clinically dead.

"The Master has killed the Slayer". Prophecy fulfilled.

Xander administers CPR. Buffy is revived.

Buffy kills the Master. This does not change the fact the the "Master kills the Slayer" prophecy was fulfilled.

 

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_Catherine_  1038 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 2:37pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Ulicus posted:
This is the Buffy comparison I mentioned earlier:

The Master kills Buffy via drowning. Her heart stops and she's clinically dead.

"The Master has killed the Slayer". Prophecy fulfilled.

Xander administers CPR. Buffy is revived.

Buffy kills the Master. This does not change the fact the the "Master kills the Slayer" prophecy was fulfilled.
Was this before or after he was executed by the Daleks? mischief

 

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Kwenn  9850 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 3:32pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
_Catherine_ posted:
Ulicus posted:
This is the Buffy comparison I mentioned earlier:

The Master kills Buffy via drowning. Her heart stops and she's clinically dead.

"The Master has killed the Slayer". Prophecy fulfilled.

Xander administers CPR. Buffy is revived.

Buffy kills the Master. This does not change the fact the the "Master kills the Slayer" prophecy was fulfilled.
Was this before or after he was executed by the Daleks? mischief


When he was brought back to fight in, and run the hellz away from, the Time War!

Also: DE = canon. Or, Anakin + Luke = Galaxy - Sith. The rest of the equation takes a few more decades, though. And a bigger calculator, presumably.

 

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Date Posted: 10/9/07 3:53pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
New stuff! Some previews for the TFU miniatures set were released, and this is what we got: "The Uggernaut", Junk Golem, and Wookiee-Hunter AT-ST. All three are presumably from the game; they look like bosses or mini-bosses to me.

I think I love The Uggernaut, if only for the silly name. tongue

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10400 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 5:02pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 - Date Edited: 10/9/07 5:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Kwenn posted:
Also: DE = canon. Or, Anakin + Luke = Galaxy - Sith. The rest of the equation takes a few more decades, though. And a bigger calculator, presumably.


Luke is not the Chosen One, nor is "Anakin + Luke". DE is non-canon, they just haven't admitted it yet.

 

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Barriss_Coffee  5797 posts
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Date Posted: 10/9/07 5:24pm Subject: RE: The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08
Rogue_Follower posted:
New stuff! Some previews for the TFU miniatures set were released, and this is what we got: "The Uggernaut", Junk Golem, and Wookiee-Hunter AT-ST. All three are presumably from the game; they look like bosses or mini-bosses to me.

I think I love The Uggernaut, if only for the silly name. tongue


The "Junk Golem" looks like a mix between a spider droid and a Nexu.

I'm wondering if the first two of these are on Raxus Prime.

 

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