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The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 (No Spoilers)
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Quiet_Mandalorian
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2/12/07 3:33pm
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RE: Force Unleashed: Big EU Event of '07
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Ulicus posted:
Honestly though, Force users should have been capable of this sort of stuff in the films.
Honestly, they shouldn't.
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darth_Boba
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2/12/07 3:36pm
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Why not? In the commentary for Episode I, George Lucas even said he designed the opening sequence to make the Jedi seem like Godzilla in terms of relative power. I'm not saying Jedi should have atomic breath (although that would be cool), but they should at least be something more than ineffectual space hippies (if you'll excuse the Travissism).
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Ulicus
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2/12/07 3:40pm
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Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
Ulicus posted:
Honestly though, Force users should have been capable of this sort of stuff in the films.
Honestly, they shouldn't.
We've had this conversation before.
Canonically, they *are* capable of these sorts of things.
I'll agree that at the extreme end things get really silly; exploding stars, eating planets, force pushing moons... etc but the stuff we've seen in TFU so far? Just seems like a logical and not altogether unbelievable extension of abilities that Force users already have.
That should have been your typical "above average" Jedi imho.
Should they be unbeatable? No. I'd argue that extensive use of their powers should lead to "burn out", which would make them vulnerable. (The stronger you are with the Force, the longer you can keep going)
But the limits they apparantly had in the films were, quite frankly, ridiculous when you consider that they're drawing upon a power next to which no others can compare.
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Quiet_Mandalorian
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2/12/07 3:42pm
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darth_Boba posted:
Why not? In the commentary for Episode I, George Lucas even said he designed the opening sequence to make the Jedi seem like Godzilla in terms of relative power.
Relative to B-1 battledroids, maybe. They're still quite limited in their powers onscreen even there, and it just works best that way. The Jedi are "cunning warriors", not Elfen Lied-style neard-gods.
Ulicus posted:
Canonically, they *are* capable of these sorts of things.
No, they're not, barring unusual instances in which a single individual is somehow able to leach off of the Force-essences of millions of beings to increase his or her power far, far above its normal level.
Of themselves, the best they seem capable of is levitating and/or manipulating inanimate objects of a few thousand pounds, and even then it's hardly the matter of a flick of the wrist.
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darth_Boba
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2/12/07 3:49pm
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Relative to the Neimoidians actually, but I get your point.
Though if true, it does seem suspiciously odd to me that a group numbering only in the thousands (0.000001% percent of Coruscant's population, apparently) who don't have absurd levels of power are able to continually keep the galaxy under their heels and so easily bounce back when people decide they've had enough.
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Darth_Hydra
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2/12/07 3:52pm
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Do we have an ETA yet for the game(and other tie ins)? I'm guessing it would be sometime near the 2007 Holiday Season.
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Quiet_Mandalorian
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2/12/07 3:55pm
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darth_Boba posted:
Though if true, it does seem suspiciously odd to me that a group numbering only in the thousands (0.000001% percent of Coruscant's population, apparently) who don't have absurd levels of power are able to continually keep the galaxy under their heels and so easily bounce back when people decide they've had enough.
Considering how long they've been shaping galactic affairs, I'd almost be tempted to offer genetic memory as the answer. 
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Ulicus
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2/12/07 3:58pm
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Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
No, they're not, barring unusual instances in which a single individual is somehow able to leach off of the Force-essences of millions of beings to increase his or her power far, far above its normal level.
Dorsk wasn't exactly leeching off millions was he?
I'll agree with you what those apprentices accomplished was absolutely ridiculous but it is, at least to my knowledge, still canon.
I think you're correct in all other instances though. Sidious was leeching AND on Byss when he conjured Force storms as far as I remember... and Nihilus was just *weird* (and a stupid concept)...
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
Of themselves, the best they seem capable of is levitating and/or manipulating inanimate objects of a few thousand pounds, and even then it's hardly the matter of a flick of the wrist.
I suppose you're right. I just think it's kinda nonsensical... maybe TFU IS overkill, but the Jedi should have been more powerful than they were portrayed in the PT.
Another poster brought up the question of, "Why didn't Obi-Wan just flick off the buzz droids on his flyer with the Force"? the other day, and it's been bothering me ever since... I really, REALLY don't understand why he COULDN'T have just done that. Were they made of Mandalorian Iron or something?
Little things like that, in my opinion, undermine the Jedi. Sure, don't make them GODS - but don't try to pretend that they don't have the powers that they do just so it better serves your script.
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lol @ RF
As for their power, I think this is not only a natural extention of the Jedi powers, but also a logical conclusion from an unrestrained Sith. He's young and powerful. The Jedi have been holding people back in terms of sheer power for a long time, while the Sith have had to keep themselves in the dark. This guy however has the galaxy at his fingertips pretty much, and doesn't need to show any restraint. The Force is being unleashed.
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Rouge77
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2/12/07 4:01pm
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By "better" I hope you mean, "that's just the way it's done", not "that's the way it should be done."
The former one. 
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ThrawnRocks posted:
As for their power, I think this is not only a natural extention of the Jedi powers, but also a logical conclusion from an unrestrained Sith. He's young and powerful. The Jedi have been holding people back in terms of sheer power for a long time, while the Sith have had to keep themselves in the dark. This guy however has the galaxy at his fingertips pretty much, and doesn't need to show any restraint. The Force is being unleashed.
Doesn't really make sense.
Maul wasn't restrained by the Jedi teachings, yet he was still ultimately beaten by a padawan - and you didn't see him displaying that sort of power. Same goes for Vaderkin.. except he was beaten by a master.
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darth_Boba
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Ulicus posted:
Another poster brought up the question of, "Why didn't Obi-Wan just flick off the buzz droids on his flyer with the Force"? the other day, and it's been bothering me ever since... I really, REALLY don't understand why he COULDN'T have just done that. Were they made of Mandalorian Iron or something?
They couldn't have done that because then we wouldn't have the buzz droid sequence. Even the Jedi are vulnerable to the greatest of all superweapons: The Plot Device.
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2/12/07 4:10pm
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Ulicus posted:
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
No, they're not, barring unusual instances in which a single individual is somehow able to leach off of the Force-essences of millions of beings to increase his or her power far, far above its normal level.
Dorsk wasn't exactly leeching off millions was he?
No, but he was leaching off a couple dozen powerful Jedi.
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though she's not as topless as she was in AotC concept art...
Along with Oola, I think Shaak Ti is one of the only female [movie] characters we've actually seen topless and fully revealed---you can see her nipples in one of the concept pieces in The Art of AotC, though only in profile. Don't ask me how or why I remember these things. 
Do I really have to? 
I wonder at your implication that we've seen topless EU characters. Star Wars is turning into a pit of depravity! 
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RedXIV
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2/12/07 4:12pm
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Ulicus posted:
Dorsk wasn't exactly leeching off millions was he?
No, he was just combining his powers with those of several other Jedi and using a network of Force-enhancing Sith temples. And killed himself in the process.
Yes, it was over the top, but it was such a one-shot, near impossible to repeat event that it avoids rendering Force powers completely broken.
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vong333
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Whats the big deal with the force powers? Didn't Dark Empire have that force storm crap? Didn't the DarkSaber book have the idiot Dork 81 push 17 "Imperial Class" Star Destroyers half way across the solar system. Yeah, Yeah so he used the energy of 18 of ther bafoons and died, but what the f... was that, and you guys are complaining about the video game? How soon we forget the flow-walking, time-traveling stuff from LOTF. Hey wait am minute, what about the power of Malachor 5, the Star Forge, The Repear, The Sith Temples and there focus of power? What about the thought bomb and the destroying of a forest by Darth Baldy . Coomon guys, its just a video game, and you know what, if the force is over the top, then so be it. Have at it. In the end, it won't make a difference, becuase it will get crushed by Halo 3, and the Spiderman 3 movie. So no big deal 
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