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The Force Unleashed: The Multimedia EU Event of '08 (No Spoilers)
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Sn4tcH
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2/12/07 4:25pm
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RE: Force Unleashed: Big EU Event of '07
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This thread reminds me of a bad Dragonball Z argument...
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ThrawnRocks
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Ulicus posted:
ThrawnRocks posted:
As for their power, I think this is not only a natural extention of the Jedi powers, but also a logical conclusion from an unrestrained Sith. He's young and powerful. The Jedi have been holding people back in terms of sheer power for a long time, while the Sith have had to keep themselves in the dark. This guy however has the galaxy at his fingertips pretty much, and doesn't need to show any restraint. The Force is being unleashed.
Doesn't really make sense.
Maul wasn't restrained by the Jedi teachings, yet he was still ultimately beaten by a padawan - and you didn't see him displaying that sort of power. Same goes for Vaderkin.. except he was beaten by a master.
Maul beat Obi-Wan. He only died because he let his guard down. Not to mention Maul seemed to favor physical power rather than Force power. And again with Anakin and Obi-Wan, they were fighting a lightsaber battle with little help from the Force aside from jumping and grabbing lightsabers. However, we do see them give off a pretty powerful force push (not quite a cannon, but still...) against each other. The only people we really see unrestrained using their powers are Palpatine and Yoda, and they are about on par with or slightly above what we see in the tech demo. So maybe it is a bit exaggerated, but as long as everyone is to an extent, it should be fine.
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LtNOWIS
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2/12/07 4:33pm
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Mayor_Adam_West posted:
Judging from the video, it looks literal. The character is throwing around stormtroopers like nothing. He has freaking Clone Wars cartoon Force powers. There wouldn't have been an order 66 if the PT jedi had his power.
That wasn't actually canon. IIRC, they were just demonstrating what they could do with the game engine.
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Thrawn McEwok
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2/12/07 4:34pm
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RE: Force Unleashed: Big EU Event of '07
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I miss the days when a Jedi's lightsaber was a civilised duelling weapon... 
Blackman's contribution makes me slightly more cheerful about this. I really liked Open Seasons and Hate and Fear, even if he does have a tendancy to fling his male leads into dungeons  - and he did NEGtVV and NEGtWT, both of which, from what I know about them, were thorough and competent in their respect for continuity; but Revenants was a definate case of "coolness over continuity"...
Aye, it did just about come off, and he wins respect for consistently depicting Mandalorians as battle-hardened commandos rather than a fascinating study in cultural anthropology - but I think it does touch the same nerve that was jangled by the previews here, as reflected in my earlier concerns about creator self-discipline... 
In the latest preview, the actual characters look like a decent bunch - they could give this sufficient drive; but that demo is pure CGI sadism. Anyone who thinks it's cool to bounce stormtroopers around like rubber balls is sick in the head.
Take a look at the way the Jedi Knight in Episode IV behaves if you want a study in contrasts... 
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vong333
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Speical effects and story plot is the reason why we don't really see the jedi and sit do any more. Any way, its just a video game. It not real history.
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Quiet_Mandalorian
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
I miss the days when a Jedi's lightsaber was a civilised duelling weapon...
Blackman's contribution makes me slightly more cheerful about this (I really liked Open Seasons and Hate and Fear, even if he does have a tendancy to fling his male leads into dungeons); but Revenants was a definate case of "coolness over continuity"... it did just about come off, but I refer you once again to my earlier comments on creator self-discipline...
The actual characters look like a decent bunch - they could give this sufficient drive; but that demo is pure CGI sadism. Anyone who thinks it's cool to bounce stormtroopers around like rubber balls is sick in the head.
Take a look at the way the Jedi Knight in Episode IV behaves if you want a study in contrasts...
Well said.
Ulicus posted:
I think you're correct in all other instances though. Sidious was leeching AND on Byss when he conjured Force storms as far as I remember... and Nihilus was just *weird* (and a stupid concept)...
Note also the effect of the Killik hive-mind on the Joiner Jedi.
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I suppose you're right. I just think it's kinda nonsensical... maybe TFU IS overkill, but the Jedi should have been more powerful than they were portrayed in the PT.
Why? It's not as though they're ever exactly outmatched except by overwhelming numbers or the most insanely trained and heavily-armed supersoldiers.
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Another poster brought up the question of, "Why didn't Obi-Wan just flick off the buzz droids on his flyer with the Force"? the other day, and it's been bothering me ever since... I really, REALLY don't understand why he COULDN'T have just done that. Were they made of Mandalorian Iron or something?
I'd assume he was distracted, as one tends to become in battle. Certainly, it would've been simple enough to push them off, but who knows? Perhaps Force-powers are hampered in some way in outer space, or maybe the peculiar design of the Jedi fighter he was flying imposed some kind of obstacle on him.
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Little things like that, in my opinion, undermine the Jedi. Sure, don't make them GODS - but don't try to pretend that they don't have the powers that they do just so it better serves your script.
It all depends, I'd say. You don't, for example, want to elevate your hero to the point where armies can't hope to stand against him, because in general that makes for incredibly dull story-telling, and you can see that problem in effect in the Matrix sequels.
At the end of the first movie, Neo is the One. He's practically invulnerable within the realm of the Matrix, able to manipulate or remake it at will, and it should have ended there, because in continuing, you can see where the filmmakers found it necessary to up the ante by introducing new Agents, and other new hostile programs that didn't quite follow the same rules as the ones that we'd previously seen, and throwing up an increasingly contrived and improbable series of obstacles in Neo's path to lend any measure of suspense to the plot at all.
Let's not bring that sort of trouble into Star Wars.
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Sn4tcH
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2/12/07 4:43pm
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vong333 posted:
Speical effects and story plot is the reason why we don't really see the jedi and sit do any more. Any way, its just a video game. It not real history.
If you mean video games aren't canon, then you need to do some studying.
If you mean like, actual real history... well then yes... duh.
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I'm very surprised that such a big fuss is being kicked up about the Force. As vong333 said, the EU is full of overpowered Force Users and exaggerated Force Powers. It's not like this is the first time this has happened.
In KotOR you can drain 'life' from people using orange streams of energy and in Jedi Knight you can shoot fireballs from your fingertips. Yet I don't hear you all condemning those two games.
In the Force Unleashed trailer the woman sticks her saber into the ground and blasts a group of stormies away. She might as well have been using Force Wave.
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Re: Sticking the saber in the ground and knocking a shavitload of Troopers into next week.
Have you ever tried attacking while jumping when playing as Mace in BF2? That's his aerial attack. This chick clearly just knows Vapaad.
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Winged_Jedi posted:
In KotOR you can drain 'life' from people using orange streams of energy and in Jedi Knight you can shoot fireballs from your fingertips. Yet I don't hear you all condemning those two games.
In the Force Unleashed trailer the woman sticks her saber into the ground and blasts a group of stormies away. She might as well have been using Force Wave.
Instead of, what, "Force Earthquake"?
Neither Knights of the Old Republic nor Jedi Knight and its sequels were marketed with roxorz kewl Force-pwnage as the main selling point...
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Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
Well said.
Thanks. Do you like it as much now I've added in a faintly sarcastic comment about Mandalorians?
I'll also take the opportunity to comment on my own opinion:
Thrawn McEwok posted:
In the latest preview, the actual characters look like a decent bunch - they could give this sufficient drive; but that demo is pure CGI sadism. Anyone who thinks it's cool to bounce stormtroopers around like rubber balls is sick in the head.
On the other hand, it strikes me that it might be clever plotting to lure the character to the Dark Side with that sort of "quicker, easier, more seductive" power, and if that's the idea, they might well be onto a winner. 
But even so - I do think there's a "path not taken" here. Ever since Jedi Knight, the Force in Star Wars video games has been a pwnage weapon, a shoot/beat-'em-up tool....
Now look at the original concept of the Jedi Knight again. Imagine using the Force in gameplay to perform mindtricks in dialogue interaction with Imperial patrols, or to sneak undetected from hiding-place to hiding-place, or to send pursuing stormtroopers off following up a sound coming from the wrong direction.
*shrugs* But then, I'm not the target market for these games, so what do I know?
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
Imagine using the Force in gameplay to perform mindtricks in dialogue interaction with Imperial patrols, or to sneak undetected from hiding-place to hiding-place, or to send pursuing stormtroopers off following up a sound coming from the wrong direction.
Tom Clancy's Splinter Midichlorian?
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
Thanks. Do you like it as much now I've added in a faintly sarcastic comment about Mandalorians?
Doesn't bother me. It's like being referred to as "Right-Wing" in a pejorative sense when you've become used to routine accusations of "Fascist" and/or "Nazi".
Thrawn McEwok posted:
On the other hand, it strikes me that it might be clever plotting to lure the character to the Dark Side with that sort of "quicker, easier, more seductive" power, and if that's the idea, they might well be onto a winner.
That would be clever, certainly. I've never really felt that that level of destructive power could ever be "lawful" for a Jedi to use, even if it were possible to achieve it...
Thrawn McEwok posted:
But even so - I do think there's a "path not taken" here. Ever since Jedi Knight, the Force in Star Wars video games has been a pwnage weapon, a shoot/beat-'em-up tool....
Now look at the original concept of the Jedi Knight again. Imagine using the Force in gameplay to perform mindtricks in dialogue interaction with Imperial patrols, or to sneak undetected from hiding-place to hiding-place, or to send pursuing stormtroopers off following up a sound coming from the wrong direction.
Imagine, if Stephen Russel had provided the voice of Kyle Katarn... 
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LtNOWIS
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LtNOWIS posted:
That wasn't actually canon. IIRC, they were just demonstrating what they could do with the game engine.
Um, did anyone see me say this? Unless I'm grossly misinformed, it's too early to actually say that they're going to have a really high-level force powers, like we saw in that video. I kind of doubt we'll actually be able to effortlessly throw huge metal things.
While that that would be a little extreme, you could rationalize it as a Jedi who's just really good at telekinesis; it wouldn't neccesarily be reflected in other powers like healing, persuasion, battle meditation, etc.
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LtNOWIS posted:
LtNOWIS posted:
That wasn't actually canon. IIRC, they were just demonstrating what they could do with the game engine.
Um, did anyone see me say this? Unless I'm grossly misinformed, it's too early to actually say that they're going to have a really high-level force powers, like we saw in that video. I kind of doubt we'll actually be able to effortlessly throw huge metal things.
I mentioned it as well. This is the same video that has been around for a dog's age and was meant to showcase the game engine as it's a "next gen" console game. There's no evidence of it being actual footage and every reason to think it's, to borrow a Penny-Arcade phrase, "bullshot" footage of the system and engine's abilities.
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