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Darth-Ghost
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State of the galaxy during the Legacy comics: The official factions and politics thread
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The war ongoing in Legacy isn't that clear-cut or simple, but very complex with numerous factions:
1) Darth Krayt & the new Sith Order
2) The Empire loyal to Darth Krayt (including undercover Imperial Mission)
3) Roan Fel, the Imperial Knights, & his loyal followers
4) Nyna Calixte, Morlish Veed, & supporters
5) GA forces working with the Empire (ruling triumverate)
6) Galactic Alliance Core Forces
7) The Jedi Order
...plus...
*the Yuuzhan Vong will probably get involved again, they did the Ossus project
*possible interference with the Criminal underworld and bounty hunters
*possibility that Nyna Calixte may even split from Veed
*possibility of Sith Order splintering, biggest danger of that in Darth Maladi
*possibility of the Imperial Mission backstabbing Darth Krayt
How could this all turn out? Who will go into alliance with who? Which alliances will be broken? Where do Moff Calixte's and Darth Maladi's true loyalties lie? There are sure to be plenty more betrayals. Who can trust who?
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Carnage04
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Darth-Ghost posted: The war ongoing in Legacy isn't that clear-cut or simple, but very complex with numerous factions:
1) Darth Krayt & the new Sith Order
2) The Empire loyal to Darth Krayt (including undercover Imperial Mission)
3) Roan Fel, the Imperial Knights, & his loyal followers
4) Nyna Calixte, Morlish Veed, & supporters
5) GA forces working with the Empire (ruling triumverate)
6) Galactic Alliance Core Forces
7) The Jedi Order
...plus...
*the Yuuzhan Vong will probably get involved again, they did the Ossus project
*possible interference with the Criminal underworld and bounty hunters
*possibility that Nyna Calixte may even split from Veed
*possibility of Sith Order splintering, biggest danger of that in Darth Maladi
*possibility of the Imperial Mission backstabbing Darth Krayt
How could this all turn out? Who will go into alliance with who? Which alliances will be broken? Where do Moff Calixte's and Darth Maladi's true loyalties lie? There are sure to be plenty more betrayals. Who can trust who?
Hey! I posted a similar list in another thread. I like the factions being more than just Empire vs. Rebellion. There are a lot of different things to think about....IF the Sith win and the Empire is theirs there are still those like Calixte and Veed to fight. If The Sith are overthrown what becomes of the once loyal Imperial Sith forces? Do they continue to battle? If Roan Fel takes his place again upon the throne do the Jedi accept him as legitimate or do they and the GA Core Forces go to war again against the Empire.. How long does the "New Sith Order" get along together? We have already seen that Darth Talon and Darth Nihl have a sort of rivalry. Will whoever is left standing have enough strength to keep the Empire/Alliance together?
- I think it is unlikely we see the Vong join in the War. I see The Zonoma Sekot exiled Vong to be like Imperial/Modern Japan after WWII....people make sure they have NO WEAPONS OF WAR FOR A LONG TIME!
- It seems at this point that the Sith Imperials hold most of the money to hire the Underworld. We already know that Rav is taking in Jedi to sell to the Sith and that people like Syn have no love for either. They could be a thorn in the side of the "Good Guys" for a while.
- Nyna appears to be an intriguing character. I mentioned that Veed seems to lack the intelligence that she would truly desire in a "partner". She will use him in her machinations until she feels that she has all she wants. I am quite certain that she did not inform Veed of her meeting with Roan Fel and the IK's before the Mofference. How much more is she doing behind his back?
- I think a rivalry between Talon and Nihl is more likely to splinter the Sith than Darth Maladi is.
- It appears that the Imperial mission will side with whomever seems to truly be in power. If Krayt's Imperial faction starts to founder, only than with Moff Rus backstab him.
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AdmiralWesJanson
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Darth-Ghost posted: The war ongoing in Legacy isn't that clear-cut or simple, but very complex with numerous factions:
1) Darth Krayt & the new Sith Order
2) The Empire loyal to Darth Krayt (including undercover Imperial Mission)
3) Roan Fel, the Imperial Knights, & his loyal followers
4) Nyna Calixte, Morlish Veed, & supporters
5) GA forces working with the Empire (ruling triumverate)
6) Galactic Alliance Core Forces
7) The Jedi Order
...plus...
*the Yuuzhan Vong will probably get involved again, they did the Ossus project
*possible interference with the Criminal underworld and bounty hunters
*possibility that Nyna Calixte may even split from Veed
*possibility of Sith Order splintering, biggest danger of that in Darth Maladi
*possibility of the Imperial Mission backstabbing Darth Krayt
How could this all turn out? Who will go into alliance with who? Which alliances will be broken? Where do Moff Calixte's and Darth Maladi's true loyalties lie? There are sure to be plenty more betrayals. Who can trust who?
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And now you know ... the rest of the story.
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Charlemagne19
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My ideal ending is Morlish Veed slaughering the Imperial Knights and then waging war against a reinvigorated Galactic Republic!
FROM HIS DEATH STAR!
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Carnage04
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Charlemagne19 posted: My ideal ending is Morlish Veed slaughering the Imperial Knights and then waging war against a reinvigorated Galactic Republic!
FROM HIS DEATH STAR!
"Admiral Veed sir, Bastion is in range." - Death Star Gunner
"YES!" - Veed
"Morlish, your plan is to destroy Bastion? Why I am always the last to know about things like this. Have you considered the implications of such an act? Surely the Sith will no longer feel threatened by the former Emperor and they will no longer need the Moff Council, including you and myself, to maintain control over their Empire." - Calixte
"Morlish don't like thinking." - Veed
Sorry, as you know I have Veed pegged as a meathead. I'm thinking Morlish meets his end sooner than later.
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Darth-Ghost
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2/19/07 10:02am
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RE: The many factions in Legacy (Legacy #8 spoilers)
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Ok, for my thoughts, I don't know how the comics will bring us there but I think the end result of what's happening will be the Alliance and the Empire sharing the galaxy between them.
The problem for the galaxy has been that for the last 25,000 years the government has been GALACTIC. So if the government becomes corrupt or is taken over, then the entire galaxy goes with it. If the galaxy was split into two equal sides, coexisting in harmony, this problem could be prevented.
There will always be a struggle between those two sides, of those who value liberty the most VS. those who value security the most. So why not make it two separate governments instead of one having to replace the other everytime the people change their minds? (rather than through civil war or rebellion or revolution)
And for them to always have a "competitor," it will be more unlikely for each of them to get weak or fall into chaos. And it would make both sides prepared for something like another Yuuzhan Vong invasion. It would ensure peace and defense for centuries, and if anyone wanted to live in a more free place or a more secure place, all they would have to do is move to a planet in the other's territory!
It's like yin-yang, between the Empire and the Alliance. And the Jedi's job can be to keep that balance, and help both governments. And the Sith's job will always be to upset that balance.
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AdmiralNick22
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Darth-Ghost posted: Ok, for my thoughts, I don't know how the comics will bring us there but I think the end result of what's happening will be the Alliance and the Empire sharing the galaxy between them.
The problem for the glaxy has been that for the last 25,000 years the government has been GALACTIC. So if the government becomes corrupt or is taken over, then the entire galaxy goes with it. If the galaxy was split into two equal sides, coexisting in harmony, this problem could be prevented.
There will always be a struggle between those two sides, of those who value liberty the most vs. those who value security the most. So why not make it two separate governments instead of one having to replace the other everytime the people change their minds through civil war or rebellion or revolution?
And for them to always have a "competitor," it will be more unlikely for each of them to get weak or fall into chaos, and both sides would be prepared for something like another Yuuzhan Vong invasion. It would ensure peace and defense for centuries, and if anyone wanted to move to a more free place or a more secure place, all they would have to do is move to a planet in the other's territory!
It's like yin-yang, between the Empire and the Alliance. And the Jedi's job can be to keep that balance, and help both governments. And the Sith's job will always be to upset that balance.
My thoughts as well. The post-Sith Legacy galaxy would undoubtedly be best served with two major powers controlling the galaxy. Odds are the Galactic Alliance will be the larger of the two, given the galaxies 25,000 history of democracy and the fact that the GA was the largest before the Sith framed the Vong and started the war.
However, there are worlds that would remain under a benevolent Empire as well. Those worlds with a interest in quasi-monarchical governments and strong order.
A balance between these two powers is the best chance for peace, IMO.
The only question is the Jedi/Imperial Knight issue. Would the IK rejoin the Jedi Order or serve the Empire first?
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Darth-Ghost posted: Ok, for my thoughts, I don't know how the comics will bring us there but I think the end result of what's happening will be the Alliance and the Empire sharing the galaxy between them.
The problem for the glaxy has been that for the last 25,000 years the government has been GALACTIC. So if the government becomes corrupt or is taken over, then the entire galaxy goes with it. If the galaxy was split into two equal sides, coexisting in harmony, this problem could be prevented.
There will always be a struggle between those two sides, of those who value liberty the most vs. those who value security the most. So why not make it two separate governments instead of one having to replace the other everytime the people change their minds through civil war or rebellion or revolution?
And for them to always have a "competitor," it will be more unlikely for each of them to get weak or fall into chaos, and both sides would be prepared for something like another Yuuzhan Vong invasion. It would ensure peace and defense for centuries, and if anyone wanted to move to a more free place or a more secure place, all they would have to do is move to a planet in the other's territory!
It's like yin-yang, between the Empire and the Alliance. And the Jedi's job can be to keep that balance, and help both governments. And the Sith's job will always be to upset that balance.
My thoughts as well. The post-Sith Legacy galaxy would undoubtedly be best served with two major powers controlling the galaxy. Odds are the Galactic Alliance will be the larger of the two, given the galaxies 25,000 history of democracy and the fact that the GA was the largest before the Sith framed the Vong and started the war.
However, there are worlds that would remain under a benevolent Empire as well. Those worlds with a interest in quasi-monarchical governments and strong order.
A balance between these two powers is the best chance for peace, IMO.
The only question is the Jedi/Imperial Knight issue. Would the IK rejoin the Jedi Order or serve the Empire first?
--Adm. Nick
I don't know. I don't see the Imperial Knights rejoining the Jedi, but I can't see the Alliance be without their own order of loyal force-users to counter the Empire's. Maybe they already do have them, we haven't really had a chance to learn about the Alliance much, have we? Maybe an evolution of the GAG?
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Darth-Ghost posted:
AdmiralNick22 posted:
Darth-Ghost posted: Ok, for my thoughts, I don't know how the comics will bring us there but I think the end result of what's happening will be the Alliance and the Empire sharing the galaxy between them.
The problem for the glaxy has been that for the last 25,000 years the government has been GALACTIC. So if the government becomes corrupt or is taken over, then the entire galaxy goes with it. If the galaxy was split into two equal sides, coexisting in harmony, this problem could be prevented.
There will always be a struggle between those two sides, of those who value liberty the most vs. those who value security the most. So why not make it two separate governments instead of one having to replace the other everytime the people change their minds through civil war or rebellion or revolution?
And for them to always have a "competitor," it will be more unlikely for each of them to get weak or fall into chaos, and both sides would be prepared for something like another Yuuzhan Vong invasion. It would ensure peace and defense for centuries, and if anyone wanted to move to a more free place or a more secure place, all they would have to do is move to a planet in the other's territory!
It's like yin-yang, between the Empire and the Alliance. And the Jedi's job can be to keep that balance, and help both governments. And the Sith's job will always be to upset that balance.
My thoughts as well. The post-Sith Legacy galaxy would undoubtedly be best served with two major powers controlling the galaxy. Odds are the Galactic Alliance will be the larger of the two, given the galaxies 25,000 history of democracy and the fact that the GA was the largest before the Sith framed the Vong and started the war.
However, there are worlds that would remain under a benevolent Empire as well. Those worlds with a interest in quasi-monarchical governments and strong order.
A balance between these two powers is the best chance for peace, IMO.
The only question is the Jedi/Imperial Knight issue. Would the IK rejoin the Jedi Order or serve the Empire first?
--Adm. Nick
I don't know. I don't see the Imperial Knights rejoining the Jedi, but I can't see the Alliance be without their own order of loyal force-users to counter the Empire's. Maybe they already do have them, we haven't really had a chance to learn about the Alliance much, have we? Maybe an evolution of the GAG?
No, the ties between the Alliance and the Jedi Order obviously remain tight. The Alliance stood by the Vong at the request of the Jedi Order. This says something, IMO. It sounds like the Alliance pre Sith-Imperial War maintained close ties with the Jedi. Also, some in the Alliance and some Jedi probably consider the two groups close as well, as we see even in the LOTF novels.
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I think they're friendly, but no longer allies. Perhaps the GA siding with the Jedi on Ossus Project disaster was just to get the Jedi back under their control? A control probably broken around the time of LOTF...
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Carnage04 posted: "Morlish don't like thinking." - Veed
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I'm sure Morlish is probably a great thinker. He's not exactly a friendly guy, and he's clearly not adept at politicking, so chances are he got to his position - the only combination Grand Moff/Grand Admiral around - by being effing good at what he does. He, with some help with the Sith, ended the war, and we know he won the decisive Battle of Caamas. It's his lack of political thought and his inability to maneuver subtly, or to navigate the psyche of his enemy that makes him appear so stupid when standing next to Nyna. On the field of battle, however, it's likely Veed is no slouch.
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Don't forget about the Cade faction. He may not really be associated with any group at the moment but it's obvious that what eventually happens is going to depend a great deal upon what he decides he wants to do.
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BobaMatt posted: I'm sure Morlish is probably a great thinker. He's not exactly a friendly guy, and he's clearly not adept at politicking, so chances are he got to his position - the only combination Grand Moff/Grand Admiral around - by being effing good at what he does. He, with some help with the Sith, ended the war, and we know he won the decisive Battle of Caamas. It's his lack of political thought and his inability to maneuver subtly, or to navigate the psyche of his enemy that makes him appear so stupid when standing next to Nyna. On the field of battle, however, it's likely Veed is no slouch.
So you're calling Veed a Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, essentially, yeah?
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If Veed was successfully leading armies at 23, I'll be impressed.
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