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Lord_Hydronium  6273 posts
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Date Posted: 3/15/07 7:33pm Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously) - Date Edited: 3/15/07 7:34pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
Think of it as another challenge they have to face.

Now, if the entire order was obliterated to the extent that someone else had to make a New New Jedi Order, then I'd be more inclined to agree. But as it is, half the order has survived. They've been through worse and come back.

 

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GrandAdmiralJello  59888 posts
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Date Posted: 3/15/07 7:46pm Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
And, if you think about it, they're a lot stronger this time. Remember what happened to the Jedi the last few times someone tried to wipe them out?

This time they're more resilient--as well as more grounded in their beliefs. We don't see as many going to despair or the dark side. Though, granted, we just might not have heard of anything yet.

 

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EH_Pilot  3940 posts
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Date Posted: 3/15/07 9:36pm Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
Well, the last time, they did face the single most powerful Force-user the galaxy has ever seen...

 

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Date Posted: 3/15/07 11:03pm Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
Lord_Hydronium posted:
Think of it as another challenge they have to face.

Now, if the entire order was obliterated to the extent that someone else had to make a New New Jedi Order, then I'd be more inclined to agree. But as it is, half the order has survived. They've been through worse and come back.


How is that different than what happened in KOTOR II though?

Other than the personalities and organizations in play?

 

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Lord_Hydronium  6273 posts
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Date Posted: 3/16/07 12:19am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously) - Date Edited: 3/16/07 12:48am (2 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
KOTOR II isn't set only a hundred years after one of the heros of the Saga just created the new Jedi Order.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'll point out again that I have no problem with the actual Legacy events. I'm speaking of a hypothetical scenario here.

 

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GrandAdmiralJello  59888 posts
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Date Posted: 3/16/07 12:55am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
Right, I follow. Hydronium is saying that if the entire Jedi Order was destroyed then it would be a problem, but seeing as a significant fraction of the Jedi are still around then the events of Legacy are just another problem for them to solve and not really "another purge."

 

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Carnage04  4905 posts
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Date Posted: 3/16/07 1:37am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
GrandAdmiralJello posted:
And, if you think about it, they're a lot stronger this time. Remember what happened to the Jedi the last few times someone tried to wipe them out?

This time they're more resilient--as well as more grounded in their beliefs. We don't see as many going to despair or the dark side. Though, granted, we just might not have heard of anything yet.


Indeed. Legacy 8 changed how things should be viewed with the comment by Veed that at least half of the Jedi were not on Ossus at the time of the massacre. These leaves the order in a heck of a lot better shape than it was when Order 66 was issued.

It is somewhat telling, however, that Darth Krayt isn't really actively trying to root out any remaining Jedi strongholds and destroy the order completely. He is instead focusing on Roan Fel and later, Cade Skywalker. This shows that what is left of the Order doesn't seem like very much of a threat.

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Jmacq1  1728 posts
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Date Posted: 3/16/07 5:50am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
The impression I've gotten is that while there are plenty of Jedi still around, they've generally been scattered to the four winds and no longer have any sort of centralized organization. There's no grand master or council to coordinate things, and pretty much all of them are on the run/in hiding from the Sith.

That's why Cade is so potentially important. Wolf thinks Cade could rally the Jedi, but if Krayt gets him first he can kill two birds with one stone: He can potentially get himself "healed" and he can seemingly destroy any chance the Jedi have of regrouping and creating an effective (key word there) resistance to his rule.

So far it seems like Roan Fel and his loyalists are the only thing that Krayt considers a genuine threat to his plans (aside from his own health problems).

 

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Date Posted: 3/16/07 5:58am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
Randy_Stradley posted:
Either way, after reading the guesses here, I'm kicking myself that we didn't turn Porkins' vaccuum-frozen remains into Krayt...


Brilliant! There is still time to change it man! You have to make it Porkins! tongue

 

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EH_Pilot  3940 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 10:01am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
GrandAdmiralJello posted:
Right, I follow. Hydronium is saying that if the entire Jedi Order was destroyed then it would be a problem, but seeing as a significant fraction of the Jedi are still around then the events of Legacy are just another problem for them to solve and not really "another purge."


Don't you think it's a little premature to tell? The Imperial era Purge lasted more than a decade and a good number of Jedi were still around as of even ANH.

 

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Havac  14246 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 11:25am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
As of Ossus, half the Jedi Order survived. Indicators are that the Order was somewhere in the thousands.

As of Order 66, about two percent of the Jedi Order at it's pre-Clone Wars level survived. 200 out of 9000. By any measurement, it was a far more thorough and devastating purge initially. 200 versus probably 2000 is a huge difference. They aren't going to be in nearly as bad shape after seven years of persecution as the Jedi were after 20 of Palpatine's Inquisitorius either.

I think it's a safe conclusion that the Jedi aren't hurting nearly as bad as they were in their two earlier purges.

 

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Rouge77  7450 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 11:31am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously) - Date Edited: 3/18/07 11:32am (1 edits total) Edited By: Rouge77
And yet the highest number they got on their "conclave" on Daluuj was 4 Jedi. Could it be that originally DH planned this 4th Jedi Purge - if one counts NJO as the third, with the Peace Brigade etc - to be extremely devastating, and now is backtracking from those plans? thinking Of course, these 7 years could have been very bad for the surviving Jedi and their numbers could be now low for that reason. sad

Also one can ask, did all the other Jedi that we did not see to escape from Ossus during the Massacre die? That of the half of the Jedi Order there were only a handful of survivors? thinking

 

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Havac  14246 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 11:35am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously) - Date Edited: 3/18/07 11:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Havac
No, half the Jedi weren't even on Ossus. The other half that was there was mostly killed, though I'm sure some made it out, like Shado and Wolf.

As for the convocation, it was stated that it was dangerous for many Jedi to gather. Those four Jedi may have represented much larger groups of survivors, or they may have been the only ones willing to risk the Sith, or they may have been the only ones Sazen could find on short notice.

 

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Rouge77  7450 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 11:38am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously) - Date Edited: 3/18/07 11:38am (1 edits total) Edited By: Rouge77
Yes I know, I was just wondering about that half of the Order that was on Ossus, if those we saw to survive were all the Jedi and younglings that survived the Massacre there.

 

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Kicker  171 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 11:42am Subject: RE: Darth Krayt's Identity to be Revealed in Legacy #15 (spoilers, obviously)
are u speaking in terms of the padawans we saw in issue 1? I've had the same curious thoughts on that subject, after Ossus, where did Wolf have them go? How have they been traveling? Wolf or Shado had to hav had a base of operations...

sumwhere out there...

 

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