Author Topic: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
PerfectCell  1792 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 3:28pm Subject: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero - Date Edited: 3/18/07 4:03pm (1 edits total) Edited By: PerfectCell
"I can go into a healing trance and accelerate the pregnancy. I can bear this child in five months." - Etain Tur-Mukan, Republic Commando: Triple Zero

Having just finished the book, this particular line sparked a lot of thought for me. While I understand that a Jedi can accelerate her pregnancy, should she? I know that labor can be induced, but that is only done for health reasons, so in a situation where no health problems are present is it right for the pregnancy to be accelerated like that? I only ask because to me it seems like it is something that shouldn't happen, that by doing so you are tampering with the natural course of life. I don't recall ever reading about this being done in any other SW books, and this seems to be yet another Jedi-centric twist thrown in by Traviss. Thoughts?

 

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Eleventh_Guard  5861 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 3:53pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
Dark Nest III: The Swarm War.

Tenel Ka Djo slowed her pregnancy down by a few months so that it would look like Jacen Solo couldn't possibly be the father of her child, thus protecting the child from possible attacks from Hapan nobles.

 

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PerfectCell  1792 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 4:05pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
Eleventh_Guard posted:
Dark Nest III: The Swarm War.

Tenel Ka Djo slowed her pregnancy down by a few months so that it would look like Jacen Solo couldn't possibly be the father of her child, thus protecting the child from possible attacks from Hapan nobles.


Hmmm, I'll get to that story eventually, I'm in the middle of the New Jedi Order series right now, and I don't want to read the Dark Nest Series or the Legacy of the Force series out of order, that would eliminate too many surprises.

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 4:06pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
I imagine, if you're Pro-Life, that tampering with a pregnancy to accelerate should only be done if you REALLY know what you're doing.

Otherwise, it doesn't do much.

I imagine the Jedi who do it are people who eat a LOT during a very short period.

 

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 4:10pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
It's not the same as inducing pregnancy. What she's doing is accelerating the pregnancy. The baby develops fully, but faster. She's condensing the gestation period, so that she can cram nine months worth of fetal development into five.

 

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PerfectCell  1792 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 4:17pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
BobaMatt posted:
It's not the same as inducing pregnancy. What she's doing is accelerating the pregnancy. The baby develops fully, but faster. She's condensing the gestation period, so that she can cram nine months worth of fetal development into five.


Oh, I know that, that's why I listed inducing in my first post. Inducing is only done for health reasons, usually having to do with the mother. Acceleration just doesn't seem right to me, because as you said it's taking nine months worth of pregnancy and cramming it into five. There should and can be complications from something like that, and it's not something that sits all that well with me.

 

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 4:19pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
I think the complications come more for the mother than for the child: that's probably a pretty intense healing trance. And you can't do much while you're in a healing trance. I'm sure Jedi don't like to mess with their body functions unless they feel it's necessary.

 

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patchworkz7  3179 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 4:21pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
BobaMatt posted:
It's not the same as inducing pregnancy. What she's doing is accelerating the pregnancy. The baby develops fully, but faster. She's condensing the gestation period, so that she can cram nine months worth of fetal development into five.


I don't have any doubts that this is going to produce some complications into Etain's life in the next book.

It also may have a profound effect on the baby, considering that Ben sensing the Vong war caused him difficulties, I don't doubt that being the product of an accelerated gestation period would create some problems.

 

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rumsmuggler  18279 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 4:35pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
PerfectCell posted:
BobaMatt posted:
It's not the same as inducing pregnancy. What she's doing is accelerating the pregnancy. The baby develops fully, but faster. She's condensing the gestation period, so that she can cram nine months worth of fetal development into five.


Oh, I know that, that's why I listed inducing in my first post. Inducing is only done for health reasons, usually having to do with the mother. Acceleration just doesn't seem right to me, because as you said it's taking nine months worth of pregnancy and cramming it into five. There should and can be complications from something like that, and it's not something that sits all that well with me.



I'm sure that if one can accelerate a preganancy, they can anticipate and correct any possible complications.

 

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PerfectCell  1792 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 8:53pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
rumsmuggler posted:
PerfectCell posted:
BobaMatt posted:
It's not the same as inducing pregnancy. What she's doing is accelerating the pregnancy. The baby develops fully, but faster. She's condensing the gestation period, so that she can cram nine months worth of fetal development into five.


Oh, I know that, that's why I listed inducing in my first post. Inducing is only done for health reasons, usually having to do with the mother. Acceleration just doesn't seem right to me, because as you said it's taking nine months worth of pregnancy and cramming it into five. There should and can be complications from something like that, and it's not something that sits all that well with me.



I'm sure that if one can accelerate a preganancy, they can anticipate and correct any possible complications.


I don't agree with that simply because anytime the natural flow of life is tampered with there always tend to be bad consequences. The line of thinking you displayed stems from my other problem with the proposed accelerated pregnancy, the Jedi's, or at least Etain's, belief that they can tamper with something like this. Regardless of whether any complications can be controlled or not, there are certain things that shouldn't be messed with, and a natural pregnancy is one of them.

 

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Ris_jSarek  2541 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 9:01pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
PerfectCell posted:
I don't agree with that simply because anytime the natural flow of life is tampered with there always tend to be bad consequences. The line of thinking you displayed stems from my other problem with the proposed accelerated pregnancy, the Jedi's, or at least Etain's, belief that they can tamper with something like this. Regardless of whether any complications can be controlled or not, there are certain things that shouldn't be messed with, and a natural pregnancy is one of them.


Healing trances in general also tamper with the natural flow of life, but their bad consequences seem to be minimal or absent.

 

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PerfectCell  1792 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 9:07pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
Ris_jSarek posted:
PerfectCell posted:
I don't agree with that simply because anytime the natural flow of life is tampered with there always tend to be bad consequences. The line of thinking you displayed stems from my other problem with the proposed accelerated pregnancy, the Jedi's, or at least Etain's, belief that they can tamper with something like this. Regardless of whether any complications can be controlled or not, there are certain things that shouldn't be messed with, and a natural pregnancy is one of them.


Healing trances in general also tamper with the natural flow of life, but their bad consequences seem to be minimal or absent.


I think healing trances don't bother me, and to be honest I hadn't even taken them into account until you brought them up, because you're dealing solely with your own body. When she's accelerating her pregnancy she's affecting someone who has no say over the matter.

 

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Date Posted: 3/18/07 9:07pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
In context to Etain's particular pregnancy, wouldn't the fetus already develop a quarter faster than normal (considering it is half-clone)?

 

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Date Posted: 3/18/07 9:12pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
I thought the Kaminoans induced growth accelaeration on the clones, it wasn;t somehting that just happened.

I could be wrong...

 

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PerfectCell  1792 posts
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Date Posted: 3/18/07 9:12pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero - Date Edited: 3/18/07 9:13pm (1 edits total) Edited By: PerfectCell
browwiw posted:
In context to Etain's particular pregnancy, wouldn't the fetus already develop a quarter faster than normal (considering it is half-clone)?


That is an interesting idea. On the one hand the fetus could be affected by the clone gene (although I'm not sure whether the aging was induced through an inherant gene or an outside Kaminoan source), but on the other hand just because Darman was artificially aged that doesn't mean his child will also age at a faster pace. I really don't know where Traviss will go with that one, I'm inclined to believe that should the fetus be born and live for any extended period of time it will age normally, but we shall see.

 

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Date Posted: 3/18/07 9:16pm Subject: RE: Jedi and Pregnancy, Republic Commando: Triple Zero
Growth acceleration didn't have any biological basis. The Kaminoans just sat and yelled at the fetuses: "Faster, more intense!"





 

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