Author Topic: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Lightsnake  632 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:28am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 5/18/07 11:31am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lightsnake
And that was:
A. Achilles' only vulnerable part
B. Only guided by a frigging GOD
C. Achilles wasn't a Jedi who could regulate his circulatory system in any version of the Iliad I've read
D. Alexander was an unhealthy man with a bad lung in a time when disease was rampant. He also didn't live in a time where Jedi regulate their bodies.
C. Caesar was a weaponless man caught off guard by about twenty men with knives. Yeah.
D. Attila fell asleep with his head back so the nosebleed wasn't just a minor thing he suffered.

Really, bad examples

 

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Darth_Shpydar  1061 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:30am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
DarthMane2 posted:
And Achilles went down from a poison arrow through the ankle, Alexander went down from a fever, Caesar from assassination, Attila from a nose bleed.

Think on that.


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Lightsnake  632 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:32am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
It wasn't well said at all. It was a string of very bad examples.

 

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DarthMane2  2176 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:35am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Lightsnake posted:
And that was:
A. Achilles' only vulnerable part
B. Only guided by a frigging GOD
C. Achilles wasn't a Jedi who could regulate his circulatory system in any version of the Iliad I've read
D. Alexander was an unhealthy man with a bad lung in a time when disease was rampant. He also didn't live in a time where Jedi regulate their bodies.
C. Caesar was a weaponless man caught off guard by about twenty men with knives. Yeah.
D. Attila fell asleep with his head back so the nosebleed wasn't just a minor thing he suffered.

Really, bad examples


And mara was killed by a poison dart. **** happens. I'm sure it will be retconned that the dark kept Mara from using the force to heal herself.

My examples had nothing to do with the force. Just that because she went down in said way, doesn't make her a weakling.

 

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Darth_Shpydar  1061 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:36am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 5/18/07 11:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Shpydar
Not to speak for my fellow Darth, but Mane's point i think is that the specific, seemingly weak "killing blow" does not (necessarily) diminish the strength of the character.

EDIT: umm, yeah, what he said right ^there. grin peace

 

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Lightsnake  632 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:38am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
That particular killing blow to that particular character?

It most certainly does.
We're talking about people able to regulate their circulatory system to stop such things as poison. Not only that, we're talking about someone who survived the coomb spores from Nom Anor

 

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DarthMane2  2176 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:39am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 5/18/07 11:39am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthMane2
Oh and let me add one more example, because it pains me that I left is out.

PATTON GOING DOWN FROM A CAR CRASH.

 

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Lightsnake  632 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:41am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Let me add an example:

Stop using real life examples that have nothing to do with fights to the death. The only one that might even hint towards fantasy is the death of Achilles and Achilles wasn't even aware of Paris.

 

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DarthMane2  2176 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:41am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 5/18/07 11:44am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthMane2
Lightsnake posted:
That particular killing blow to that particular character?

It most certainly does.
We're talking about people able to regulate their circulatory system to stop such things as poison. Not only that, we're talking about someone who survived the coomb spores from Nom Anor



For one thing, we don't know the full extent of the details in the novel of how she dies. So yes she might have been able to stop some the poison. At the same time there are probably anywhere between 4 and 5 reasons why she could not.

 

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Lightsnake  632 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:42am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
By all means. Let's hear them.

I'll assume that a simple poison dart contained the SW universe's equivalent of iocaine powder. Or curare maybe.

 

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killfire  1821 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:43am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Seems to me they going for the full Arthur finale on LOTF. Guess I'll skip the rest of the series and stick to Legacy comics instead.

 

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DarthMane2  2176 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:43am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Lightsnake posted:
Let me add an example:

Stop using real life examples that have nothing to do with fights to the death. The only one that might even hint towards fantasy is the death of Achilles and Achilles wasn't even aware of Paris.


So what? Jacen used a force projection against her. She was distracted and he used a dart to kill her. Was she run through with a saber? No. Did Jacen beat her in the battle? No.

She went down from a poison dart. A fast acting one that seems to much for her. Luke himself almost died from Shimmra's poison staff.

 

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Dani  78 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:44am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Can darthtoast or StarNeptune inform us of Darth Caedus' standing in GAG, is he openly a Sith?

 

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Darth_Shpydar  1061 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:44am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 5/18/07 11:47am (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Shpydar
Lightsnake posted:
That particular killing blow to that particular character?

It most certainly does.
We're talking about people able to regulate their circulatory system to stop such things as poison. Not only that, we're talking about someone who survived the coomb spores from Nom Anor



But, as was also stated, it comes after a violent battle, and is merely a killing blow. We well know that a Jedi's ability to use the Force is tied to their concentration and ability to focus. And Mara barely beat the coomb spores virus -- and did so only after Vergere's intervention (and Ben's birth). While infected, it's clearly stated repeatedly how she's had to use nearly all her effort to just stay alive. After a long saber duel where she's beat down? Come on, of course she'd succumb. Besides, how do we not know the poison used is of some Sithly inspiration, or merely far more potent than the coomb spores ever could be.

Lightsnake posted:
I'll assume that a simple poison dart contained the SW universe's equivalent of iocaine powder. Or curare maybe.

Why would this be your immediate assumption? You may be right, by why would this be your default thought on it?

 

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Darth_Lex  3881 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/07 11:45am Subject: RE: The Official Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 5/18/07 11:47am (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Lex
In the NJO, Mara has to concentrate pretty extensively to manage her circulatory system, and to ward off the coomb spores. It's not an instantaneous power that requires no thought. It's entirely plausible that if she's fighting for her life, and needs to keep all of her focus on not getting her head lopped off by a lightsaber, she can't spare the concentration to deal with the poison. I don't see why that's so confusing...

In other words, what Shpydar said. tongue

 

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