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blackmyron Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 5/31/07 12:36am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	LtNOWIS posted: 99.9% of our articles are completely non-controversial; POV is not an issue on those articles, because there's no agenda anybody wants to push. Apart from ControWiki (The Wiki For Controversial Subjects), I think any Wiki would be 99.9% non-controversial. I'm glad that the article on Beverages in the SW Universe is safe, but the 0.1% tends to be the high-traffic, high-interest articles (which, incidentally, is where I'm most interested - namely starships and cartography). Besides, why should this sort of behavior be tolerated on any part of Wookiepedia? LtNOWIS posted: Even for the SSD article, the statements you pulled out are just a small part of a long article. Bury suppositions in a pile of actual, factual statements and it's hard to tell the difference. LtNOWIS posted: Also, the article has extensive internal citations. If you don't like a statement, feel free check the source yourself. As I've stated before, that's exactly what I do. I've used Wookie multiple times to get directions to what source refers to information I'm interested in. But I'll take any information contained in an article with a grain of salt unless it shows exactly where it originated. -----signature----- Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas "Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
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Thrawn McEwok Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 5/31/07 2:12am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	blackmyron: agreed. But then, I would say that, wouldn't I... Hmm. Anyone got any suggestions for an approach to improve the situation? I do like blackmyron's POV here, because it seems to be more about parsing the info back to neutrality than any opinion, including my own! - The Imperial Ewok -----signature----- A/T = OTP :===8[#]8===: Kyp/Jaina fans: stand up and be counted!
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kttch809 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/31/07 2:21am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it - Date Edited: 5/31/07 2:23am (1 edits total) Edited By: kttch809
	Thrawn McEwok posted: browwiw posted: BobaMatt posted: I remember seeing scans of an ancient British magazine article about stormtroopers. Was that ever confirmed as canon? Maybe. In the first edition of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, Raymond Velasco referenced sources "[SW, E, SME, RJ, WSW]" in the entry for "Imperial Stormtrooper. WSW's entry in the Guide's "Codes Following Dictionary Entries" is- WSW-"Soldiers of the Empire," Anthony Fredrickson, The World of Star Wars: A Compendium of Fact and Fantasy from Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back, Paradise Press, Inc., 1981 As far as I can see, Velasco only drew upon "Soldiers for the Empire" for information pertaining to their armor: Their uniform is a white-and-black armor spacesuit that can be used in almost any environment, and provides limited protection from blaster fire. The armor consists of two parts: the outer shell (eighteen pieces) and a black, two-piece "body temperature control glove." It appears that nothing else from "Soldiers for the Empire" was used. "Soldiers for the Empire" was removed from the entry codes section in the second edition of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe by Bill Slavicsek. It was placed into a section called "Additional Bibliography", however. The information on stormtrooper armor that was contained in the first edition is still largely intact in the second and oddly, is inside the "movie canon" section of the entry on stormtroopers. I don't know what to make of that. -----signature----- "The Force is a superstition, a myth people swear by. It's used to frighten children." -Luke Skywalker
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 5/31/07 8:05am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	^ It came out before the EU, and was thus probably considered something akin to movie promotional material. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Thrawn McEwok Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 5/31/07 9:04am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it - Date Edited: 5/31/07 9:09am (3 edits total) Edited By: Thrawn McEwok
	Hah! Paradise Press produced the Poster Magazine for ESB at least; although the original 1977-9 Official Star Wars Poster Monthly was apparently produced by Galaxy Publications. I thought as much, when I looked at the way that the article was presented. The ESB Poster Magazine is the most plausible source for Velasco's idea of the SSD length; interesting to find him using related material... though I'd love to know just what the ESB and RotJ posters said about other details, and what else they might have influenced... The question is now whether we can prove that this info on stormtroopers is genuinely part of the official source, in which case it is what I'd consider canon, or if it's actually a clever non-canon mock-up. The information on the bodyglove and armour pieces seems to me to be obvious enough already from the movies, though... But the pre-RotJ mention of detachments of "Imperial Guards" serving Vader and Tarkin does provide a nice explanation for [TFU Spoiler!] the black-armoured guards we see with Vader in TFU... - The Imperial Ewok -----signature----- A/T = OTP :===8[#]8===: Kyp/Jaina fans: stand up and be counted!
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Jedi_Matt Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 5/31/07 4:23pm Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	going back to Trakata... if it's a lightsaber form/technique involving strategic activation & deactivation of a lightsaber, would Vader's trick against the Dark Woman be labelled as such? -----signature----- Excellence - "'Cause some American-accent informed me Kun is Koon and Yun is Yoon doesn't mean I'm going to Megazord myself into robotic obediance."
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 5/31/07 10:00pm Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	Seems so to me. Though why it has to be labelled a form remains beyond me. It's not a style of fighting; it's a technique utilized under particular occasions when fighting. shrugs For whatever reason, that doesn't scream, "I need to be labelled a particular style of combat!" to me, but then, I could be biased. Reason has a tendency to do that. Thrawn - TFU? - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 5/31/07 11:30pm Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	Master_Keralys posted: Thrawn - TFU? - Keralys The Force Unleashed. Thrawn's referring to Shadow guards. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/1/07 7:35am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	Ah. I've been paying attention to that, but the acronym wasn't familiar to me. Sheesh. You vanish for a few months and everyone's tossing around new acronyms, new inside jokes, new everything. No respect. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Rogue_Follower Title: Manager: • Lit Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 6/1/07 8:23am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	"I warned you---now the REGULARS demand PUNISHMENT!" You'll relearn.
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/1/07 8:43am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	Oh, and quickly I'm sure. I forgot how much I've missed the insanity of this place. That reference is tickling my brain... comic reference? It seems to have become almost as popular as "BLANK... with a GUN?" - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 6/1/07 8:51am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	Master_Keralys posted: Oh, and quickly I'm sure. I forgot how much I've missed the insanity of this place. That reference is tickling my brain... comic reference? It seems to have become almost as popular as "BLANK... with a GUN?" - Keralys Yup, comic reference: http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/7/7f/Kotor16fullcover.jpg -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/1/07 8:53am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it - Date Edited: 6/1/07 8:53am (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Keralys
	Bah. I need to catch up on KotOR and Legacy. I've gotten to the end of Reunion in the former and up through Broken in the latter, but I haven't had time or money since then. sigh That's a fantastic cover. Better than Jedi With A Gun, IMHO. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 6/1/07 8:56am Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	Master_Keralys posted: Bah. I need to catch up on KotOR and Legacy. I've gotten to the end of Reunion in the former and up through Broken in the latter, but I haven't had time or money since then. sigh That's a fantastic cover. Better than Jedi With A Gun, IMHO. - Keralys It's pretty funky. I wasn't sure about it at first. There was a bit of a debate in the thread about whether or not we liked speech bubbles on the cover and the gag developed out of that. At least that's what I remember happening.... -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 6/1/07 11:58pm Subject: RE: Trakata is now canon, believe it
	Master_Keralys posted: Bah. I need to catch up on KotOR and Legacy. I've gotten to the end of Reunion in the former and up through Broken in the latter, but I haven't had time or money since then. sigh That's a fantastic cover. Better than Jedi With A Gun, IMHO. - Keralys Yet . . . if combined . . . -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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