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Jeff_Ferguson
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6/23/07 10:43pm
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I can't recall where in the book for the life of me, but in Tempest, I believe that Han & Leia make a reference to the fact that Leia has been training under Saba for the last four years. However, at the end of The Swarm War, doesn't Saba proclaim Leia a Jedi Knight, saying that she should build her own lightsaber?
I know I'm not being much help with these vague descriptions lacking page references, but bear with me.  Did Saba's statement at the end of The Swarm War undoubtedly proclaim Leia a Knight? And if it did, do you find it probable that she would continue training under Saba? Keep in mind that both books in question are written by T-Den.
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ThrawnRocks
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I guess the best explination would be that she kept training under Saba. Perhaps she was trying to get good enough to be called a master?
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saber_death
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Jeff_Ferguson posted:
I can't recall where in the book for the life of me, but in Tempest, I believe that Han & Leia make a reference to the fact that Leia has been training under Saba for the last four years. However, at the end of The Swarm War, doesn't Saba proclaim Leia a Jedi Knight, saying that she should build her own lightsaber?
I know I'm not being much help with these vague descriptions lacking page references, but bear with me. Did Saba's statement at the end of The Swarm War undoubtedly proclaim Leia a Knight? And if it did, do you find it probable that she would continue training under Saba? Keep in mind that both books in question are written by T-Den.
i don't think she was promoted in Swarm War. IIRC Saba said she needed to build her own saber before she could be a full Knight, generally Jedi don't wait till graduation to do that. but that's just what i remember, i don't have TSW or Tempest with me at the moment.
if she continued training for 3 or 4 more years after that, then that to me pretty much means she wasn't promoted officially, even if Saba indicated she was worthy of the title during TSW. now, if it said she worked alongside Saba or something to that effect it would make more sense: much like Anakin continued being a team with Obi-Wan even after getting Knighted.
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Kyptastic
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I haven't got the book on me at the moment, but wasn't the quote Saba-style Jedi training? Meaning Leia doesn't have to have been training directly under Saba, but continuing to use her methods.
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Jeff_Ferguson
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I think you're right, Kyptastic. Thanks for the clarification on the quote. It's entirely possible that she simply continued to use Saba's methods, but saber_death could be right on the money as well. I hope that Denning clarifies this in Inferno. With her role in Leagcy of the Force so far, Leia's Jedi Training has had little, if any, consequence, after The Swarm War did so, so much for it.
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StarByStar
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Yea i finished reading Planet of Twilight and im re-reading the swarm war trilogy right now. I love this series because its pretty leia centered! She definetly has tacked up some good kills/defeats; Kueller, two Hutts Jaba and Beldorian, um...who else.....? Anyways, im super cyked about Leia finally being a full Jedi, cant wait till shes a Master, but so far disapointed in her lack of action in the Legacy books.
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Jeff_Ferguson
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Wait, didn't Han shoot Kueller?
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Alpha-02
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Though I admit it's been a while since I picked up New Rebellion I'm pretty sure it was Leia
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Jeff_Ferguson
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In any case  , the Wook seems to think that Leia is a full Jedi Knight. Seems like something pretty major for the fan community to be unsure of. 
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Carnage04
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I'm starting to wish that the decision hadn't been made for Leia to truly start training as a Jedi. You have Kyp, Saba, Cighal, heck even Corran sitting around the Jedi temple in Coruscant following the Grand Master Luke Skywalker's ideas of what Jedi should do. On the other hand, you have Jacen Solo going on a five year journey and existing quite oddly outside of the Jedi Order, Ben Skywalker not officially a Jedi with a non-official Master, and you have Leia romping around with Han performing deeds that may or may not be parallel to the goals of the Jedi Order. The SkySolo clan is making a fantastic case for the PT "No Attachments" Doctrine more and more as of late. The rest of the council seems to know that family ties are affecting how Luke has been dealing with some delicate situations lately.
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Mark-Deuce
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[quote]The SkySolo clan is making a fantastic case for the PT "No Attachments" Doctrine more and more as of late. The rest of the council seems to know that family ties are affecting how Luke has been dealing with some delicate situations lately.[/quote]
Yeah, and the PT Jedi doctrine worked out so well for them, didn't it?
The easiest person to tempt is somebody who has nothing.
Anakin had nothing, and therefore was easy pickings for Palpatine. If they'd just allowed him to see his girlfriend, and if they'd allowed him to check up on his mother regularly so he could've known she was in trouble and rescued her before she was at death's door, he would've turned out very differently.
Getting attached to anything at all carries risks with it. Apply the PT Jedi logic to your own life, and you should never own anything or date or get married, because you might get hurt when you lose your prized possessions or loved ones. Does that necessarily mean you'll do anything--ANYthing--to keep what you have, though? How many people can honestly say that they, like Anakin, would be willing to personally commit mass murder in order to save a single loved one?
Some people have got more self-control than Anakin. Not everybody who gets attached to things turns out like him. He's a worst-case scenario.
One need only look at the ending of ROTJ. Leia kisses Han. She loves him. But earlier in the film, it was stated that she would become a Jedi like Luke. When the film was made, I find it hard to believe that Lucas intended Leia and Han's kiss as an ominous sign that Leia was treading down the same path as her grandfather. Much more likely that he intended it as a happy ending, where the two heroes find true love with each other.
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Alpha-02
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*Pulls a Bindo*
"Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled, but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love, that's what they should teach you to beware, but love itself will save, not condemn you."
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Alpha-02 posted:
*Pulls a Bindo*
"Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled, but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love, that's what they should teach you to beware, but love itself will save, not condemn you."
QFT
also, look no further than Jacen Solo for what happens when a powerful Force gets fully detached from those around him... they end up exactly the same as the too attached ones.
the key is balance... holding on but knowing when to let go. that's what Kenobi did... he loved Anakin but let go of that love when he had to.
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Carnage04
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Well, most of the PT Jedi got along all right keeping from becoming "attached". Perhaps it is just a Skywalker and Solo thing.
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