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Ethelwulf Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/23/07 10:35am Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	Not that I agree he should be killed off or anything, but really it's a 'problem' with all of the old characters. Don't particularly want Luke to be killed off, nor do I want him to vanish/be a bit part. It just seems like with all of the younger generations (minus Jacen) getting only a few appearances in each book, and sometimes not at all that they won't have any characters ready to take over if/when Luke does indeed die or go into 'retirement', when they did at the end of the NJO so in many ways it's going backwards. Personally don't think killing him would be the solution and neither would turning him into a oracle of sorts that people go talk to occasionally. Just needs to be a balance so that Luke, Han, Leia etc are still major characters, but not so major that it is just them. Really the young ones like Kyp (yes I count him as a 'young' one when compared to Luke etc, and he's just a prime example of being horribly under used) and then even younger with Jaina, Tahiri etc should be Major characters in their own right rather than just popping up occasionally whilst almost all the action or 'saving the day' is still done by Luke and co. Nothing wrong with Luke saving the day, nor with Han and Leia. The problem is that is all that is happening now it seems when really they have all these other characters they could develop and explore, alongside Luke etc, who are just getting pushed further and further out of the main story. Killing him won't really solve anything though because any sense of progression by the younger generations has been blown apart by more recent books where they're almost back to apprentice stage of involvement when they're all Knights if not Masters. The one thing I don't understand about the argument that you have to either have him saving the day or turn him into Yoda/Kill him is that, why are those the only choices?, whats to stop them changing it from Luke/Han/Leia saving the day all the time to Luke, Lowbacca and Zekk say or Han and Kyp sometimes. A bit of variety can't hurt can it?
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dizfactor Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 7/23/07 11:05am Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die? - Date Edited: 7/23/07 11:07am (1 edits total) Edited By: dizfactor
	Volderon posted: Ever since the Legacy of the Force book series have come out, I've been on various message boards and the majority want Luke to die...and I can't help but think, "why?" Because Luke's basically tapped out as far as interesting stories go, but at the same time as long as he's hanging around new characters won't have a chance to shine. He needs to go. Jaina_Skylar posted: having Luke die pitifully in his sleep like YODA would just be so dull! Fixed. -----signature----- "Play is going to be for the 21st century what steam was to the 19th century." Julian Dibbell "You gotta love an elite killing force that you can fool by putting on a hat." Gryph
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Kaziel Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/23/07 11:50am Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	I'll agree with Ethelwulf. I really don't want Luke to die, but the authors seem to refuse to let him play less of a role in any way. There's a potentially huge cast, but the focus remains on the Big Three with an almost equal focus solely on Jacen and a little bit less on Ben. Beyond that, almost everyone (including Jaina) is given a bit part, except for the current author's favorite group and/or character which suddenly becomes a huge mover and shaker for the duration of that book then gone for the next few books. The problem comes in that other than the death of the Big Three I don't see the authors and/or the DR guys who are in charge of deciding the direction of the series making a decision that would alter from that plan. If Luke, Leia and Han are alive they have been, and probably are going to continued to be placed in a very major position, overshadowing almost everyone else. Mind you, if I'm wrong, I'd be thrilled. If the started playing up the other characters (Jaina, Kyp, Zekk, Jag, Syal, and maybe some completely new characters) and had those characters appearing more than 3-4 times for an entire book, I'd completely change my tune.
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Jaina_Skylar Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/23/07 11:58am Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	Yeah, I agree, I don't want Luke to die, I just want to see the other characters to get a share of the limelight!
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Dussan Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/23/07 12:02pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	They need to take him, Han Solo, and the rest out of the main spotlight and focus on the next generation. Why the hell can't Luke be Grand Master till he is 100? I see no problems with that at all. My problem is that being the active jedi and what not is not the way to go. GL won't let people alter the character significantly enough to show character growth (whcih makes sense if he wants to do a movie about him later on). Luke, Han and the rest should have little to do with teh main plot of these books.
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TheSithGirly Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 7/23/07 12:04pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	Well, the classical "hero´s hourney" ends with the HERO becoming the mentor of his next generation of heros, as he was the protegé of his own mentor in the first steps. I could see some of this in NJO. Otherwise not me favourite series, I loved the younger knights getting the spotlights from time to time. And him acting more as a head of the order. But this changed between authors. In Dark Nest I felt it should have been his farwell, taking out two great evil the same time. But actually he lacks one quality to get the wise Jedi Master. Wisdom. I LotF I feel him acting like a nice, good-hearted Jedi Kngiht. Not even a Master. He doesn´t dare to make any conclusions. How could he tell others what to do? -----signature----- Member of the "German Triumvirate", CDG, Player of the awesome 128ABY, KesselBreak Imperiales Zentrum 1997 - 2005, rest in peace. The force was with you . . . Member of the GDG
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Whizkid Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 7/23/07 12:26pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	Jaina_Skylar posted: "Count Dooku was active in his early-mid eighties. Luke is significantly more powerful than Dooku. I say let Luke be active and lead the Jedi until he's 85 or so, then have him retire, write his memoirs, and go on a galaxy wide speaking tour, and eventually die in peace." Count Dooku: Evil... why are you comparing him to Luke? Luke: Very, very powerful, agreed. Die in peace? What are you smoking! And why aren't you SHARING!!! ^_^ But come on... having Luke die pitifully in his sleep like some old geezer would just be so dull! Come on! If he's gonna go, it's gonna be battling for something or someone he believes in. Count Dooku being evil had nothing to do with his physical activity into his mid-eighties. I don't see any way Luke could be killed and not have it be anti-climatic after all he faced for 40+ years. No death could do him justice other than natural causes imo. -----signature----- "Only a Sith deals in Absolutes" "Do, or do not. There is no try"
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Dussan Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/23/07 12:28pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	TheSithGirly posted: Well, the classical "hero´s hourney" ends with the HERO becoming the mentor of his next generation of heros, as he was the protegé of his own mentor in the first steps. I could see some of this in NJO. Otherwise not me favourite series, I loved the younger knights getting the spotlights from time to time. And him acting more as a head of the order. But this changed between authors. In Dark Nest I felt it should have been his farwell, taking out two great evil the same time. But actually he lacks one quality to get the wise Jedi Master. Wisdom. I LotF I feel him acting like a nice, good-hearted Jedi Kngiht. Not even a Master. He doesn´t dare to make any conclusions. How could he tell others what to do? Which is why I said they refuse to let him grow. Essentially what you see with Han, Luke and Leia, and even Lando is they are stuck in the movie roles they played. They haven't grown up much at all. Luke is still the idealistic, bright eyed young man that he was 40 years ago. They try to keep him in the same role of blundering Jedi Knight with no guidance. However he has been doing this job for the last 30+ years, training and mentoring a whole generation of Jedi. If they cna't develop him beyond his current role then thy need to have him and the rest of the gang take several steps back.
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Jedi_Jade-Skywalker Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 7/23/07 1:20pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	I'd say put someone else in charge of the Jedi Order, which Luke has admitted he isn't very good at, and let Luke return to just being a Jedi Master. On the age note, I went to Wookiepedia which says the average life span for humans is 120, while some Jedi have lived until 200. So Luke really isn't that old. -----signature----- Fate: it protects fools, small children and ships named Enterprise.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/23/07 1:31pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	Ethelwulf Personally don't think killing him would be the solution and neither would turning him into a oracle of sorts that people go talk to occasionally. Just needs to be a balance so that Luke, Han, Leia etc are still major characters, but not so major that it is just them. The one thing I don't understand about the argument that you have to either have him saving the day or turn him into Yoda/Kill him is that, why are those the only choices?, whats to stop them changing it from Luke/Han/Leia saving the day all the time to Luke, Lowbacca and Zekk say or Han and Kyp sometimes. A bit of variety can't hurt can it? Balance and variety are needed. I'd like to see the older characters paired with younger characters. For example, Luke and Ben could go on a mission together, or Luke and a new apprentice could work together. Or Luke and Kyp. (Though Kyp isn't really much younger than Luke and Leia.) Jaina and Leia or Jaina and Han could work together. It CAN be done, and it could work very well, pleasing fans of the older characters as well as fans of the next generation, and developing that newer characters at the same time. Whizkid I don't see any way Luke could be killed and not have it be anti-climatic after all he faced for 40+ years. No death could do him justice other than natural causes imo. I agree with you. Luke deserves a long life and a peaceful death.
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ghost_of_a_wookiee Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/23/07 1:56pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	I just want Luke going out while making Ganner look like a pansy. -----signature----- Where success is equated with excess. The ambition for excess wrecks us.
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Dussan Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/23/07 2:07pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	I want Luke out of the main spotlight so writers can make him, Han, and Leia godly. NJO should have been about Kyp, Solo kids, Corran Horn, Katarn, and the new leaders of the Rebublic. With zero narratives written from the Old guard perspective. We can maybe have one or two books about those guys, but the complete and total focus should have been on the newbies. Luke and the others should be like how Yoda and Mace Windu, Sidious are seen in the prequel novels. Luke, Han, Leia, even the droids should all be looked upon as the godlike avatars of their respective abilities. In the beginning all the jedi had trouble with the Vong. They should have had Luke Skywalker walk in and Force own a battalion of em in two seconds. Sends the youngins off to do some menial un-godly task to do while he runs around like Gandalf trying to keep the galaxy together. I think the reason so many poeple want something different now, or a change of the guard is that at this stage of the game he should have surpassed Yoda in terms of wisdom, skill and, and Force ability and writers keep him limited. I feel confident that few people would agree that Skywalker could match Yoda in his prime. So they can't be as powerful as But with Luke and teh gang as our protagonist, reading about how effortlessly they handle one situation after another, even action, can get boring real quick. So writers come up with more and more elaborate threats, or show them struggling with this or that. Luke does the same thing he does since he was starting out as a Jedi. Again, it woudl be nice have them all take a backseat.
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Obilieveinme Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 7/23/07 3:00pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	Well Luke has molded the Jedi Into a very strong force...Yoda was older and part of its descent. Luke is still vital to the cause. I think it is sad that people want to throw him aside. -----signature----- George W. Bush is the Ganner Rhysode of our time.
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ConservativeSoldier Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 7/23/07 3:51pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	Luke's already dead by Legacy. So, technically, he has already died. As for the "why," I think a lot of the sentiments expressed for the disembowelment of the Grand Master is due to the fact that his character arc is pretty much complete. -He defeated Sidious by redeeming the Chosen One. -He restored the Jedi Order. -He helped reestablish a republic. -He defeated the Yuuzhan Vong empire -And now he's become the Grand Master of the Jedi. All that's left...is a fitting death. His legacy can't be taken away at this point. -----signature----- Aut vincere aut mori! Joe Biden says paying taxes is patriotic. Joe Biden is an idiot. John McCain '08.
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Whizkid Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 7/23/07 3:54pm Subject: RE: Why do people want Luke Skywalker to die?
	I'd argue that his arc isn't over until we see him train Ben to eventually take over his position. -----signature----- "Only a Sith deals in Absolutes" "Do, or do not. There is no try"
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