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Jedi_Matt  2441 posts
Registered: Jul '02
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 1:17pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Ahh if Excellence were about, he'd tell you that the mere two pages spent on the Yoda/Sidious fight is laughable.

But seriously, it was nice to see a Jedi that isn't tearing through hordes of enemies page after page. It humanised THE prequel trilogy character that needed it most. There wasn't enough about him explored. Facts and folklore, but no deeper characterisation.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 1:24pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Shatterpoint made me like Mace Windu.

 

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Jedi Ben  9345 posts
Registered: Jul '99
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 1:27pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Shatterpoint for me was Stover's best work without question. Sure ROTS is good but it pales to the impact Shatterpoint had. This book shows exactly what the Clone Wars exist to do, how and why yet also affirms why the Jedi do what they do. They lose? Of course they lose, the game was set so they could only lose. Shatterpoint was the 1st Clone Wars book, it had to set the standard and it did - too bad the rest of CW never matched it. It also took the realistic style being deployed by DR to its ultimate extension, after Shatterpoint anything would pale in comparison.

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Mustafar_66  7184 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 1:40pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
I can't stand it. I was expecting Full Metal Jacket or Apocalypse Now with lightsabers and I end up with nothing like it. It just felt limp and I was thoroughly disappointed.

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
Registered: Jul '00
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 1:45pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Mustafar_66 posted:
I can't stand it. I was expecting Full Metal Jacket or Apocalypse Now with lightsabers and I end up with nothing like it. It just felt limp and I was thoroughly disappointed.


What's really weird is the former is exactly what we got....

....and which was surprising because I never thought for a second they'd publish anything like that.

 
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King_of_Red_Lions  729 posts
Registered: Mar '03
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 4:52pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
If I were trapped on a desert island and could bring with me but one Stover novel, it would be a toss up between Shatterpoint and Heroes Die.

Stover is the most entertaining writer ever. If I could write like him, I would sit at home and write stories just for myself.


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Katana_Geldar  27712 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 5:01pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Jedi_Matt posted:
Ahh if Excellence were about, he'd tell you that the mere two pages spent on the Yoda/Sidious fight is laughable.



Ex hates Shatterpoint with a passion, mention him we will not. I find his lack of faith disturbing.

Shatterpoint rocks! IMHO it's one of the most violent EU books as well as one of the most profane. What about all those Mace Windu cowboy scenes, he all but says "This planet ain't big enough for the two of us."

I love Nick Rostu, he's actually a lot like a guy I iknow who is also named Nick and hasn't read Shatterpoint.

 

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ARC-77  712 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 5:38pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
I just love Mace's line at the end of the final fight.

"It seems that I'm the last one standing." Or something to that effect.

King_of_Red_Lions posted:
Stover is the most entertaining writer ever. If I could write like him, I would sit at home and write stories just for myself.


Me too. He's got one of my favorite writing styles. His books are violent, but his almost poetic writing style seems to balance out the more bloody parts.

I've went looking for some of his other novels, but none of the stores I visit have any of his stuff.

And, IIRC, Stover's the only SW author to use the word crap. Useless tidbit there. tongue

 

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Katana_Geldar  27712 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 5:44pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
He all but uses the 'eff' work as well. wink

 

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ARC-77  712 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 5:47pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Katana_Geldar posted:
He all but uses the 'eff' work as well. wink


And Mace flipping the bird...

 

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jedimaster203  989 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 5:48pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Stover is the best author ever. You can quote me.

I'm an unabashed Stover worshipper.

Anyways, TRAITOR got my hooked onto MWS, then I read Shatterpoint. It rocked my world, so I read HEROES DIE.
Oh My God. Heroes Die and Blade of Tyshalle are literally the greatest books I've ever read.

 

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Katana_Geldar  27712 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 5:52pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
The only thing I have against Stover is the way he acted in Star Wars on Trial. He reminded me of a misinformed and deluded fan trying to pilot the sinking ship of a pathetic point of view.

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 5:59pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Katana_Geldar posted:
The only thing I have against Stover is the way he acted in Star Wars on Trial. He reminded me of a misinformed and deluded fan trying to pilot the sinking ship of a pathetic point of view.


I think Matt Stover was responding to the ridiculousness of many of the assertations.

You could actually do a very in-depth essay on Star Wars and culture.

However, that was definitely not the tone of the book.

Hence, why he acted like he was acid.

 
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Katana_Geldar  27712 posts
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 6:02pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord... - Date Edited: 8/2/07 8:47pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
He didn;t have to act like that.

And I might do that essay, I already wrote one about Vergere and Jacen thinking

 

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dizfactor  7826 posts
Registered: Aug '02
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Date Posted: 8/2/07 6:09pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Charlemagne19 posted:
I think Matt Stover was responding to the ridiculousness of many of the assertations.


Actually, most of the assertions were pretty dead-on. Brin's line of critique is certainly not unique to him, and it represents a really reasonable critical approach to Star Wars.

Of course, you could deliver an equally withering critique of his beloved Star Trek, and he seems pretty oblivious to that.

 

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