Author Topic: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
QuentinGeorge  4759 posts
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Date Posted: 8/28/07 4:57am Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord... - Date Edited: 8/28/07 4:59am (1 edits total) Edited By: QuentinGeorge
Bodi, Tem and Daniel Logan are all Maori New Zealanders with varying level of Pakeha (ie white European) blood.

Based on general New Zealand ethnicity, they'd be mainly Maori/English/Scottish mixes.

As a side note, so is Jay Laga'ia (Captain Typho)....Australia is full of New Zealanders - it's our biggest foreign minority. tongue

 

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vong333  2019 posts
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Date Posted: 8/28/07 3:49pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Shatterpoint was a werid book. Couldn't understand the palawa whatever war, and what a stupid character that Vastor and what?????....jungle rules? What kind of mofo crap is that? None of the clone war books really were that good. I'd take the whole X-wing series of books any day over the clone wars. Better stry development and action in that series of books. Two authors that covered the gist of star wars and then some (Alliston and Stackpole).

 

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Queengodess  4359 posts
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Date Posted: 8/29/07 8:07am Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
I really enjoyed Shatterpoint. Got no problem with the dark tone of it, and it's just nice to see someone writing something akin to stylish prose in the Star Wars universe.

Of course, the last pages with Mace Windu contemplating the fact that as long as Anakin lives there is hope doesn't really work with his attitude in ROTS (what happened to change his mind so drastically?) but that's hardly Stover's fault - it builds on the cut scenes from AOTC. And I liked it better that way...

 

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MistrX  1520 posts
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Date Posted: 8/29/07 8:51am Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Queengodess posted:

Of course, the last pages with Mace Windu contemplating the fact that as long as Anakin lives there is hope doesn't really work with his attitude in ROTS (what happened to change his mind so drastically?) but that's hardly Stover's fault - it builds on the cut scenes from AOTC. And I liked it better that way...




Maybe he became more disillusioned as the war dragged on and the "Dark Side clouded everything".

 

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ausar_vos  172 posts
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Date Posted: 8/29/07 11:10am Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
MistrX posted:
Queengodess posted:

Of course, the last pages with Mace Windu contemplating the fact that as long as Anakin lives there is hope doesn't really work with his attitude in ROTS (what happened to change his mind so drastically?) but that's hardly Stover's fault - it builds on the cut scenes from AOTC. And I liked it better that way...




Maybe he became more disillusioned as the war dragged on and the "Dark Side clouded everything".



But since Clover wrote Revenge of the Sith, does he not explain the transition in the novel?

I haven't read it so I'm genuinely asking.

 

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GrandAdmiral_Frank  2417 posts
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Date Posted: 8/29/07 6:18pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
It was definitely gritty. I read it two years ago and it made me appreciate Mace Windu even more so than after I saw him in AOTC. The whole Vaapad style of lightsaber fighting and that you have to like fight to use it was awesome because it was possible to tap into the darkside while using it which is why only Mace and his apprentice Depa had it mastered. Kar Vastor I think was the villain and he was crazy fighting with those shields. It was a different Star Wars book for sure and some parts were hard to read but all together it was a good book and I am happy to say that at SW Celebration III I got a copy of Shatterpoint signed by Stover. I wish I would have gotten the ROTS but I was so uptight about spoilers I wouldn't even buy the book.

 

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Jedi_Riches  54 posts
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Date Posted: 8/30/07 12:45pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
I loved this book, though in truth I only read it one when it came out (I should probable go back and re-read it at some point) it is definatly the most gritty of all of the EU books that I have read, I am intregued to how his new book will be like as he diffinatly gets inside characters heads well.

How come he only has 3 SW books to his name (with another on its way)when he is clearly the best author by far.

 

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Dussan  207 posts
Registered: Jul '07
Date Posted: 8/31/07 7:09pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Jedi_Riches posted:
I loved this book, though in truth I only read it one when it came out (I should probable go back and re-read it at some point) it is definatly the most gritty of all of the EU books that I have read, I am intregued to how his new book will be like as he diffinatly gets inside characters heads well.

How come he only has 3 SW books to his name (with another on its way)when he is clearly the best author by far.


It honestly looks like Stover has an almost free reign. Shatterpoint is classic Stover, the style, and he is completely unapologetic with the material.

 

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Commander-DWH  3311 posts
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Date Posted: 9/1/07 8:48am Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
I read this book when it first came out. Coincidentally, when I purchased the book, we had just finished studying Heart of Darkness in AP English. Oh man, I totally flipped out when I realized I was reading the same book, except with lightsabers. And truthfully, I found Heart of Darkness to be nigh unreadable. If you had anything resembling a distraction within a 50 mile radius, you were screwed. So it was great to be able to read the same story, with the same themes, and to be able to understand what was going on. tongue

I haven't read Shatterpoint as many times as I've read Traitor (which is now falling apart because I've read it so many times), but it's a phenomenal book. It's the first book that made me take Mace Windu seriously, and it's the best of the Clone Wars books. I should read it again.

 

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Katana_Geldar  27706 posts
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Date Posted: 9/2/07 5:29pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
Heart of Darkness is a hard read because it's so modernist.

I have to agree with you there on how much more accessible Shatterpoint it.

 

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Master_Keralys  6378 posts
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Date Posted: 9/2/07 9:54pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
I honestly didn't find Heart of Darkness a hard read - but I also didn't find it particularly compelling. His construction of the protagonist and his use of symbolism were brilliant, but his ability to write convincing fiction was less. (Then again, the guy wasn't a native speaker of English, which probably makes a difference.) I thought Stover's work was not only more approachable, but actually better on a literary level and the way he developed his themes, symbols, and even words. I remain impressed with how he forces you to reevaluate the title of nearly every chapter, and certainly of every section and the book itself as you progress throughout the plot. That's exceptional.

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Katana_Geldar  27706 posts
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Date Posted: 9/2/07 10:01pm Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
There are some great lines in Shatterpoint as well that you can pretty much take to the bank.


Shatterpoint posted:
We feel the truth when we stop analysing it.

The Jedi is altruistic less because to be so is good, than because to be because to be so is safe: to use the Force for personal ends is dangerous. This is the trap that can snare even the most good, kind, caring Jedi: it leads to what we call the dark side.

The Force acts through us when we surrender all effort. A Jedi does not decide. A Jedi trusts.
To put it another way: we are not trained to think. We are trained to know.

Power to do good eventually becomes just power. Naked force. An end in itself.




That's but a sample I can get at easily as they're in my vergere essay, but there's heaps of others.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 10:40am Subject: RE: Shatterpoint: Good lord...
One could argue that Shatterpoint is more inspired by the Apocalypse Now version of Heart of Darkness than by the original.

I'm thinking of Depa's/Brando's audio recordings.

 

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