Tricky posted:I had re-read the RotS novel like last month & I don't remember Matt Stover writing in any kind of hesitation or even asking why from the Clonetroopers when Order 66 came down & they were to kill the Jedi. Now I'm re-reading Dark Lord & see Climber's Clonetrooper squad react to the Order as if it's a suggestion instead of a genetically ingrained automatic response like how it seemed in the RotS film. Has there been any other instances in the EU where Clonetroopers have refused or questioned why they should go ahead with Order 66? What is the right way for the Clonetroopers to react when given the Order, like robots that must follow orders or like regular human soldiers that like the Jedi but might just have to kill them? Does anyone think that the Nulls & ARC's will unquestioningly turn on the Jedi & outright slaughter them?
Rogue_Follower posted:Order 66 is not a genetic command, its... an order, and as far as we know a legal one. At least, this is the way its been treated in the EU. I never got the the impression from the film that it was some sort of programmed command, but maybe that's just me. Though, there are still some plot holes surrounding it, since we really don't know how the clones knew to address Palpatine as "my lord", and why it came in using CIS encryption.
dp4m posted:Rogue_Follower posted:Order 66 is not a genetic command, its... an order, and as far as we know a legal one. At least, this is the way its been treated in the EU. I never got the the impression from the film that it was some sort of programmed command, but maybe that's just me. Though, there are still some plot holes surrounding it, since we really don't know how the clones knew to address Palpatine as "my lord", and why it came in using CIS encryption. To be fair... do we know it for certain WASN'T a genetic command?
Rogue_Follower posted:To be fair, no. However, authors have treated it as just a simple order. Karen Traviss in particular has emphasized that it wasn't some sort of brainwashing. Granted, she should be taken with a grain of salt since she hasn't really written much on Order 66 to canonize her angle on it, and her discussions on the matter aren't canon
Grey1 posted:BTW, I think it struck me when reading DL that the squad in question never actually receives the trigger words "Order 66". The orders only state that the Jedi must be killed, and when they question the orders, the only reply is that it's the chancellor's orders. Still, no number. Or am I wrong about that? I don't have the novel at hand...
ARC-77 posted:Actually, we do. In the GGAR, I'm fairly certain it was stated not to be genetically "programmed," but just that the clones are strongly reinforced to follow all orders. Karen Traviss has stated as much numerous times, too, on this board, IIRC.
Arawn_Fenn posted:Also, Order 66 being a genetic command would mean Kaminoan complicity in the plot, which ( if it were the case ) would be an important enough plot point that it would have been shown in at least one actual scene in AOTC or ROTS.
GGAR on Order 66 posted:Records salvaged from Kamino show that no genetic coding was used to implant obedience to this order. The efficiency with whcih this order was carried out was due to a genetic predisposition to be highly disciplined--and so to follow orders--that was developed and reinforced by rigorous training. The clones were trained to put their personal feelings, fears, and needs aside and to obey their superiors instantly--training familiar to soldiers throughout history. That made them the most efficient army in the galaxy. Ironically, it also sealed the fate of their Jedi commanders.