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mxcp204 Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 9/6/07 10:14pm Subject: Why can't the government get it right?
	honestly we just see one failure after another. starts with the empire being beaten by the rebels, then the new republic being beaten by itself, then the ga crumbling because of jacen and niathel, then eventually the ga gets its but kicked by the sith and the empire, then the new empire loses to the sith. there are so many times when we see: they helped forge this government, now they have to fight to destroy it! cmon politions, wake up and learn from the mistakes of your elders.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/6/07 10:21pm Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	mxcp204 posted: honestly we just see one failure after another. starts with the empire being beaten by the rebels, then the new republic being beaten by itself, then the ga crumbling because of jacen and niathel, then eventually the ga gets its but kicked by the sith and the empire, then the new empire loses to the sith. there are so many times when we see: they helped forge this government, now they have to fight to destroy it! cmon politions, wake up and learn from the mistakes of your elders. That would require originality.
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 9/6/07 10:28pm Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	Charlemagne19 posted: mxcp204 posted: honestly we just see one failure after another. starts with the empire being beaten by the rebels, then the new republic being beaten by itself, then the ga crumbling because of jacen and niathel, then eventually the ga gets its but kicked by the sith and the empire, then the new empire loses to the sith. there are so many times when we see: they helped forge this government, now they have to fight to destroy it! cmon politions, wake up and learn from the mistakes of your elders. That would require originality. lol charles -----signature----- "Those of us who don't believe in science are being attacked by forces we don't understand...like momentum, acceleration, and gravity." Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10! Property of JEDI_TEEGIRLOO Currently the most attractive guy in the EUC
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 9/7/07 5:14am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right? - Date Edited: 9/7/07 5:14am (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedimarine
	But that's not the point. The point is the characters. The heroes. As challenges befall them, are they shaken...are they redeemed...are they consistent. Governments come and go...and right now it's very popular to tarnish "camelot" imagery about governments, in all media. It's interesting to see Luke/Leia, watch institutions they built up on certain principles, crumble as they forget them...it makes our heroes all the more important...essentially the only reason it's worth keeping them alive. Discord must come from somewhere...otherwise it's not "Star Wars". So either you have a white palace government vs. the sinister army of darkness, or you have a breakdown in the "grey" parts of society that leads to plot. One problem we have is dealing with the OR...the thing lasted 25,000 years...it's almost unfathomable to the human condition to register that amount of time. And yet in the space of 60 years or so, we've seen a tumult of governments. But here is the secret...If you were a historian, say 1000 years in the future in the SW galaxy, you will say that the entire period was one single galactic mess...NR, GFFA, GA...it's all minor, and rather unsupported provisional governments when met by the immensity of the timeline. Now the question becomes how long this last for...I'm betting a long long time...I'm hoping for a long rest for pan-galactic governance. We really don't need them...and having multiple governments is much more fun. It allows for plot without having to carve up the galactic unity every time out. Government can't get it right, because government, by nature, will fail...someone, somewhere, eventually...it's the nature of social systems created by people. And since we have entered the brave new world of realism...I'd wager "camelot" ain't landing on Coruscant anytime soon. -----signature----- So Devaronian females are suppose to have thick fur, eh? Has anyone seen one outside an essential guide? ... When even the creative teams refuse to make fuzzy Devaronians...it should be a clue, folks. Thus endeth the lesson.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/7/07 5:26am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	Now the question becomes how long this last for...I'm betting a long long time...I'm hoping for a long rest for pan-galactic governance. We really don't need them...and having multiple governments is much more fun. It allows for plot without having to carve up the galactic unity every time out. You must be using a new definition of fun than me.
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 9/7/07 6:31am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	Charlemagne19 posted: Now the question becomes how long this last for...I'm betting a long long time...I'm hoping for a long rest for pan-galactic governance. We really don't need them...and having multiple governments is much more fun. It allows for plot without having to carve up the galactic unity every time out. You must be using a new definition of fun than me. fun /fʌn/- Show Spelled Pronunciation[fuhn]noun, verb, funned, fun·ning, adjective 1. something that provides mirth or amusement. 2. In regards to literature, divergent from previous work and at least pseudo-original concepts. 3. In regards to Star Wars, not LOTF. -----signature----- So Devaronian females are suppose to have thick fur, eh? Has anyone seen one outside an essential guide? ... When even the creative teams refuse to make fuzzy Devaronians...it should be a clue, folks. Thus endeth the lesson.
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SephyCloneNo15 Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 9/7/07 8:34am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right? - Date Edited: 9/7/07 8:35am (1 edits total) Edited By: SephyCloneNo15
	Jedimarine posted: fun /fʌn/- Show Spelled Pronunciation[fuhn]noun, verb, funned, fun·ning, adjective 1. something that provides mirth or amusement. 2. In regards to literature, divergent from previous work and at least pseudo-original concepts. 3. In regards to Star Wars: KOTOR Fixed. I think everyone knows the real problem with governments: They're run by politicians. We need a system where the people get together, decide what's best, and enact it... -----signature----- Member: GDG, GMG. Sub-GM: CDG Zam Wessel Lives! Recipient of Thrawn McEwok's Squib Creations Limited-Edition Replica Glove of Darth Vader™ "Samuel L. Jackson isn't only a fine actor, but a gamer. He's one of us." ~ Kotaku
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 9/7/07 9:12am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	Everyone Watch it! We have a semi-cyborg emo dictator on the make here! -----signature----- So Devaronian females are suppose to have thick fur, eh? Has anyone seen one outside an essential guide? ... When even the creative teams refuse to make fuzzy Devaronians...it should be a clue, folks. Thus endeth the lesson.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/7/07 9:29am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	The problem in Star Wars is that you need an exterior or an interior enemy. With an exterior enemy like the Empire, you can have wars against them. One of the reasons the NJO was so appalling was that in the face of an overwhelming enemy, most governments manage to pull together while the Republic was at its worst. With an interior enemy like Jacen Solo, you have incidents like the Rebel Alliance. For me, I think Star Wars could go either the Bantam or the Metal Gear Solid route. In Bantam, there were always small threats to the government but large threats to the government. In MGS, you had the government as an enemy but something you couldn't oppose directly.
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 9/7/07 9:47am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	Last weekend I played through MGS III. It was the same game as MGS and almost the same as MGS II. That would get old fast. The Story in MGS III reeked. -----signature----- So Devaronian females are suppose to have thick fur, eh? Has anyone seen one outside an essential guide? ... When even the creative teams refuse to make fuzzy Devaronians...it should be a clue, folks. Thus endeth the lesson.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/7/07 9:50am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	Jedimarine posted: Last weekend I played through MGS III. It was the same game as MGS and almost the same as MGS II. That would get old fast. The Story in MGS III reeked. Well, KOTOR was the same game as KOTOR2, the story was just different. My point is that there would be considerable fun to simply portray the government as employing our heroes but untrustworthy to keep their interests in mind.
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 9/7/07 10:28am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	Um...Wasn't that Dark Nest in a nutshell? -----signature----- So Devaronian females are suppose to have thick fur, eh? Has anyone seen one outside an essential guide? ... When even the creative teams refuse to make fuzzy Devaronians...it should be a clue, folks. Thus endeth the lesson.
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RogueWompRat Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 9/7/07 10:30am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	If real governments can't get it together, why should fictional governments be able to? -----signature----- "the Force is between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere..."
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 9/7/07 10:35am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	RogueWompRat posted: If real governments can't get it together, why should fictional governments be able to? Because... they're fictional governments, and therefore not as constained by reality? -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 9/7/07 10:46am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	Jedimarine posted: Um...Wasn't that Dark Nest in a nutshell? Oddly, all I recall is Jacen screwing over his fellow Jedi in that book.
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MistrX Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 9/7/07 11:01am Subject: RE: Why can't the government get it right?
	What is it about the "modern" Star Wars galaxy that more "recent" governments have had such trouble staying in power. The previous government somehow lasted for 25,000 years (Or at least 23-24,000 and 1,000). Perhaps that's not realistic at all and the Empire to NR to GA to Empire to Sith is a better reflection on reality, but why is it that this era in history is so much less stable than all of the others? -----signature----- We are well and truly forked
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