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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 10/17/07 8:12pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I don't have it yet. I'm letting it be a Christmas gift. If we need more reviews, they'll have to come from someone who gets it now. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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timmoishere Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 10/17/07 9:38pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I'm about 60 pages in, and Uli's medical droid, C-4ME-O is suspiciously leetspeak for 'cameo.' Makes me wonder which well-known droid he is. I-5 definitely comes to mind. -----signature----- Will do moose stuff for money. Everything tastes better wrapped in bacon, especially bacon 11/20/2008: The day I married the most wonderful woman in the world.
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 10/17/07 9:45pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Sounds very likely. We'll have to keep an eye out for that in Coruscant Nights. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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timmoishere Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 10/17/07 11:18pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	kttch809 posted: Ratua's alias is Teh Roxxor. I loled at that. -----signature----- Will do moose stuff for money. Everything tastes better wrapped in bacon, especially bacon 11/20/2008: The day I married the most wonderful woman in the world.
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correllian_ale Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 10/18/07 4:54am Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Havac posted: I'd wait for more responses before deciding that, Ale. It's still early, and we've only heard from a handful of people. I'd wait until more voices weighed in before deciding. oh, I'm not insinuating that the reviews are bad, just that unless a 'wow! I can't believe such-and such happened' review comes along, it's more economicaly sound to wait. -----signature----- Consider this my "throw back" jersey... I govern my life around my own personal code of ethics, and I suggest that you do the same.
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 10/18/07 8:47am Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I actually really liked it, but I'm an android so what do I know? There were some interesting things in the book that kept me piqued: - What exactly DID HIM do to suppress information on Jedi and the Force and how did that work -- kinda answered. - How Purge-a-riffic was Darth Vader really -- answer: not really that Purge-a-riffic unless you were a Jedi. - What in the hell was that whole Daala-injury thing about, as I don't recall any flaws in her memory in "later" sources -- answer: still no clue. - What can the EU do to turn Darth Vader back into a bad-ass -- answer: write this book. -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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Senator_Cilghal Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 10/18/07 10:56am Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 10/18/07 11:24am (3 edits total) Edited By: Senator_Cilghal
	well, overall, the book was a pageturner and interesting but i wouldn't be me if I didn't nitpick: 1) the Twi'lek hussy was a fairly stereotypical femal Twi'lek; I was disappointed she didn't get blown away at the end; that being said, I found it interesting she was IDed as Rutian and her skin color as teal; I thought Rutians were just the true-blue Twi'leks (like Aayla); teal to me suggests a very different skin tone (like grown-up Xiaan); perhaps Twi'lek "tone-races" vary a bit more than we had reason to believe before now; is (grown-up) Xiaan also Rutian? BTW, as a child Xiaan was drawn as orange, leading one to wonder if Twi'leks actually change color with age;) 2) Dance was almost always described as a Lieutenant; on two occasions (inc. Page One, which had some grammatical erros also--never a good sign on the proofreading quality), he was called "Lieutenant Commander" 3) I liked to see the book distinguish between "1st Lts" and "2nd Lts", a distinction far too seldom addressed by the EU, though a few sources do (X-wing Alliance, Hutt Gambit, some SWAJ stories) 4) Bast's rank is finally pinned as General. Intriguingly, it is stated that both Tagge and Bast outrank Motti, which seems to put a bit of a trip-up to the "Triumvirate" idea 5) although Bast and Tagge are again said to be Army, again no explanation is offered for why Navy Officer Motti calls the Navy "your [Tagge's] starfleet" 6) apparently at least one author failed to realize it is Bast who informs Tarkin the Rebel plan can work (I take it they didn't read the recent Insider), as the individual who does so is misidentified as an "operations lieutenant" 7) Captain Khurgee is misidentified as a "lieutenant" 8) interestingly, Tanbris is IDed as not part of the DS's normal complement under Tarkin, but as part of Vader's own crew visiting the station 9) 95% of DS crew human 10) I could have sworn WEG indicated the plant nature of Zelosians was a secret, but it seems common knowledge in this book; some new facts are revealed in this book: they have weak IR vision, but superior UV vision, something never previously reflected in their stats; also, they can't produce offspring with true humans; it also mentions they can for some weeks survive on photosynthesis and water, I don't know if thats been mentioned before 11) the Heavy-gravity, genetically modified near-human reminded me of a similar character in, IIRC, Crystal Star...I wonder if she was o the same stock 12) previous sources indicate the Death Star Gunners are drawn from the Starfighter Corps, IIRC; perhaps by coincidence, the Gunners in this book, seemingly backing up that claim, use Starfighter pilot-type ranks, such as Captain, Major, Colonel 13) At one point, the Medcenter, instead of being in the Death Star, is said to be in "Death Center" 14) Although the Devastator is usually described correctly as an Imperial-class, at one point it is called "SSD Devastator" 15) at one point the setting is mistakenly said to be the "TIE x1 meridian trench" rather than the TIE x1 IN the meridian trench; I don't think the x1 has a meridian trench 16) at one point "TIE x1" is correctly interpreted as a TYPE of fighter and it is stated that there are more than one of this type (though not many) on the DS; later, though, "TIE x1" is treated as if the unique callsign for Vader's ship (Black 1) 17) it is confusing if "Alpha One" is the leader of Alpha Squadron or refers to the whole squadron; it seems to be the latter, oddly enough, so apparently "Beta One" and "Beta Two" in the book are two different squads; prior to this part of book, the squad is always called "Alpha Squadron," not "Alpha One" 18) canon sources contradicting: both the ANH novel and Wyndham's little "through Anakin's eyes" novella recently released indicate that Tarkin destroyed Alderaan without clearing it with Palpatine, and Vader objected; this novel had Tarkin clear it with Palpatine (apparently) well ahead of time, and Vader specifically says he has no objections 19) the biggest problem in this book was the authors seemed incapable of realizing that the EU has long established the black-suited Death Star troopers as elite naval troops; the Dramatis Personae uses the term "Imperial Marines guard;" okay, I can see that as a synonym, but this term never appears in the actual text, nor are these individuals ever said to be in the Navy. Instead, they are identified first as "army troopers" then at one point even as "stormtroopers in black uniforms;" it seems the authors disagreed or couln't make up their minds on what branch the Death Star troopers served in, Army or Stormtrooper Corps, and both identifications contradicted all previous EU 20) biggest surprise...Yoda's homeworld possibly revealed?... "there were little green beings living on Crystan V" (p 27). -----signature----- Include Me in the C & C Mon Cal Jedi Master Compassionate Healer/Amphibious Banshee Author of an "Abeltastic" article that won a MOO award Life-term Fleet Junkie with a Silver FindersFee Waru-class Award
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TalonCard Title: •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 10/18/07 12:37pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	>What in the hell was that whole Daala-injury thing about, as I don't recall any flaws in her memory in "later" sources -- answer: still no clue.< In the Jedi Academy Trilogy, IIRC, the last time she remembers hearing from Tarkin was when he left the Maw for the Death Star construction site. So the purpose of the injury was to erase the events of this book from her memory so that it wouldn't be contradictory. TC -----signature----- Death in the Slave Pits: http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/fiction/feature20090531/index.html GODV Guide: www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa/main.html Hyperspace Blog: http://blogs.starwars.com/taloncard
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 10/18/07 1:10pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	TalonCard posted: >What in the hell was that whole Daala-injury thing about, as I don't recall any flaws in her memory in "later" sources -- answer: still no clue.< In the Jedi Academy Trilogy, IIRC, the last time she remembers hearing from Tarkin was when he left the Maw for the Death Star construction site. So the purpose of the injury was to erase the events of this book from her memory so that it wouldn't be contradictory. TC Yes, but it also said it would continually screw up her STM as well though, didn't it? -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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Senator_Cilghal Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 10/18/07 1:44pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 10/18/07 1:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Senator_Cilghal
	ok, Wookieepedia says stormtroopers wear 18-piece armor, and I also watched ANH again with the book in hand open to the relevant passages. Stihl IS indeed one of the two DS troopers in conference room and ALSO one of the stormies chasing Han. So apparently the authors think that DS troopers ARE stormtroopers and that stormies are part of the Army. Obviously there EU knowledge here is not impressing me. The only retcon I can think of is that "Imperial Marines" are somehow elites who serve in ANY trooper capacity, Navy, Army, or stormtrooper. Another error I haven't yet mentioned: the book claims that, at one point, Wedge, Luke, and Biggs are the ONLY remaining Rebel fighters. Have these authors WATCHED ANH? The mess-up with Bast is bad enough, have they never noticed Keyan's Y-WING flying away from Yavin? That is g-canon from now on, all novels should go through continuity screening from Dan, Pablo, AND Abel, to avoid dumb mistakes like this. we need some authors who are also fans;) -----signature----- Include Me in the C & C Mon Cal Jedi Master Compassionate Healer/Amphibious Banshee Author of an "Abeltastic" article that won a MOO award Life-term Fleet Junkie with a Silver FindersFee Waru-class Award
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Thanos6 Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 10/18/07 3:21pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	They threw in a reference to Super-class SDs, that made me happy. -----signature----- New Spoiler Policy--TFN's All Time 2nd Dumbest Rule Jag/Zekk shipper...yes, seriously Anakin Skywalker-- not redeemed In my canon, EU trumps the prequels... And GL has no control over SW anymore
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 10/18/07 3:29pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Senator_Cilghal posted: Another error I haven't yet mentioned: the book claims that, at one point, Wedge, Luke, and Biggs are the ONLY remaining Rebel fighters. In that particular area of the attack? Still actively attacking? They're certainly the only ones left in the trench. You'll have to be more specific. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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Thanos6 Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 10/18/07 3:32pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Oh, also: At one point, Motti's "rough draft" name of Zi gets left in. Probably a mistake, but as he's talking with a friend at the time, I guess it could be a nickname. -----signature----- New Spoiler Policy--TFN's All Time 2nd Dumbest Rule Jag/Zekk shipper...yes, seriously Anakin Skywalker-- not redeemed In my canon, EU trumps the prequels... And GL has no control over SW anymore
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IceHawk-181 Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 10/18/07 3:41pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Apparently it also mentions that the Death Star’s reactor is the equivalent of better than 1x10^32, and that it still burns a hole through to hyperspace to draw extra power?!? At least it explains the weird ring-effect for planetary destruction…though it’s a bit strange. Tech Junkie Food…yum yums... -----signature----- Proof is an interesting phenomena; there is seemingly always an abundance of it when it need not be presented.
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Barriss_Coffee Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 10/18/07 4:23pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Thanos6 posted: Oh, also: At one point, Motti's "rough draft" name of Zi gets left in. Probably a mistake, but as he's talking with a friend at the time, I guess it could be a nickname. Zi? Pronounced like the letter "Z"? How cool is that??? "The name's Motti. Conan. Antonio. Motti. My friends call me Antonio. Or Big Zi for short." -----signature----- SAN HILL LIVES!
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