Author Topic: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 10/1/07 4:13pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
So when a book comes close to actually fixing something it must be killed?

 

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Pfluegermeister  92 posts
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Date Posted: 10/1/07 8:01pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
That's not the point, Arawn. What people are implying that they're likely afraid of is that future Lucasfilm projects - i.e. the upcoming live-action television series - might just overwrite any history they choose to straighten out, and just make their job even harder. Remember that a quite suitable DS backstory was already produced once, largely by Kevin J. Anderson for his Jedi Academy trilogy of books and his subsequent book Darksaber. Then, come 2000, Rogue Planet reveals that the idea for a moon-sized space station came a lot earlier than previously assumed, and that had to be incorporated into things. Then comes 2002 and Attack of the Clones, and 2005 and Revenge of the Sith, and suddenly the DS is being worked on decades earlier than the KJA story says. Now the backstory's a total pooch-screw. And there's a TV series coming which may risk making it even MORE confusing.

The point, as I'm guessing Del Rey sees it, is not that there can be no fixing things, but that George may still choose to fix things himself, and if he does, what's the point of establishing a backstory fix that he may not even pay attention to, that he's clearly established not to have paid attention to in the past? It's not worth the expense of paying an author, a printer, and the rest to produce what may become a waste of time. Because they know the whole kit and kaboodle is still George's to do with as he will, and he makes it up as he goes. No book can trump that. Scissors cuts paper. Lucas doesn't sign death warrants; he just overwrites someone's very existence.

That concern was not stated by the authors of the book, it must be pointed out. According to them (as I understand it), there was just so much material, spread out over so long a period of time, that they knew they couldn't fit it all into a single book. I don't agree with that, but that's what they say. That, and they really wanted to visit the background of A New Hope and show the story behind the story, as it were. OK, very well. But then they at least need to ALLUDE to those earlier events and I've not yet had any hints that they are doing so. Those who have had an advance glimpse need to say, yes or no, if there ARE any new revelations or explanations; they don't even need to say what they are, only say if they're there.

The Plagueis affair is a completely different story, and the entire way the affair was handled was a disgrace. Unfortunately, we're not likely ever to get a full account of the decision-making process behind that whole story. Why did Del Rey approve the story, hire Luceno, and then suddenly decide now was not the time to get into Sidious' backstory, and that it would not be revisited in the forseeable future? Two possibilities come to mind: either a divided fan base made them take pause (not every fan wants to know about what made Palpatine what he is; some prefer him to remain a mystery, a point of view I do not share), or Lucas told them no - or, at the very least, Sue Rostoni may have divined that Lucas was likely to say no. But regardless of who pulled the trigger, the shooting of that project was a crime, both because I was denied something I very much wanted and because of the ignominious fashion in which it was killed. I was teased and then denied, and NO ONE likes a tease.

 

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Havac  14249 posts
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Date Posted: 10/1/07 8:11pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
You just wanted to make Palpatine's article longer. tongue

 

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Pfluegermeister  92 posts
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Date Posted: 10/1/07 8:55pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Ah! I am caught. Curses and drat! doh!

Like I wouldn't find a way to do that anyway...

But seriously, while I will definitely be getting the Death Star novel, my hopes for it are significantly diminished. I'll be the first to say publicly if there are good things in it - and I probably will - but I may always feel that the book was, in part, a missed opportunity. And that's a shame.

 

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Barriss_Coffee  5733 posts
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Date Posted: 10/1/07 9:13pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Dudes! This book has the ever-amazing super-fantastic phenominalx10^23 one-and-only GRAND MOFF FRICKIN' TARKIN in it!


And everyone thinks it's going to be boring?


People, I know you've all seen ANH a bazillion and one times. And even if the trench run might put you to sleep every now and again, Tarkin's smarminess never gets boring. Ever.

 

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Pfluegermeister  92 posts
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Date Posted: 10/1/07 9:33pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 10/1/07 9:34pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Pfluegermeister
That's actually one of the things that may cause me to call the book a success, despite all I've said. If I can get a true sense of Tarkin as a fully fleshed-out character, get a better sense of his backstory, close the book thinking I've been well and truly satisfied about old man Wilhuff, then I'll be happy with the book.

Same with Motti, who's an even BIGGER blank slate.

 

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Ris_jSarek  2541 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/07 4:31am Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Pfluegermeister posted:
That's actually one of the things that may cause me to call the book a success, despite all I've said. If I can get a true sense of Tarkin as a fully fleshed-out character, get a better sense of his backstory, close the book thinking I've been well and truly satisfied about old man Wilhuff, then I'll be happy with the book.

Same with Motti, who's an even BIGGER blank slate.


Plus, we might get some details on his family. I'd love some more details on his relationships with his wife and with his niece Rivoche.

 

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Pfluegermeister  92 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/07 6:23am Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Hell, I'd just like his wife to get an actual first NAME.

And "Lady" doesn't count. frustrated

 

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Juken_Rukhan  1156 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/07 10:31am Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
ill probely buy it. Of course i buy all the books. So thats not saying alot

 

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Commander5052  3504 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/07 12:44pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Pfluegermeister posted:
That's actually one of the things that may cause me to call the book a success, despite all I've said. If I can get a true sense of Tarkin as a fully fleshed-out character, get a better sense of his backstory, close the book thinking I've been well and truly satisfied about old man Wilhuff, then I'll be happy with the book.

Same with Motti, who's an even BIGGER blank slate.

Well, if rumors are true, the other Command Staff members might be appearing. I'd say Wulff Yularen is an even more mysterious character than Motti. tongue

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/07 2:48pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Pfluegermeister posted:
That's not the point, Arawn. What people are implying that they're likely afraid of is that future Lucasfilm projects - i.e. the upcoming live-action television series - might just overwrite any history they choose to straighten out, and just make their job even harder. Remember that a quite suitable DS backstory was already produced once, largely by Kevin J. Anderson for his Jedi Academy trilogy of books and his subsequent book Darksaber. Then, come 2000, Rogue Planet reveals that the idea for a moon-sized space station came a lot earlier than previously assumed, and that had to be incorporated into things.


When I read Rogue Planet I don't tend to feel it's entirely canon. Wasn't there an assumption in the book that the Trade Federation forces were turned over to the Republic, something not backed up by AOTC and ROTS?

 

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johnthejedi24  664 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/07 3:13pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
SOME of then trade federation forces were given to the republic. It seems that the feddies were able to hide much of their military resources or were able to bribe inspectors and get Palpatine/Sidious to overlook or ignore things. The Republic at that time was extremely corrupt and it would not have taken much for the Galaxy spannning Trade federation to grease a few palms.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/07 3:34pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
It kind of conflicts with the idea that the Republic didn't have an army prior to AOTC, if they had absorbed some of the TF forces. And, of course, we didn't see any Republic-controlled former TF forces in the films.

 

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Date Posted: 10/2/07 4:07pm Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
They did kind of have to do a 180 on Rogue Planet's statement that Federation forces had been disbanded and turned over to the Republic, true, but as was pointed out, they quickly corrected it. The AOTC novel helped to fix the snafu before the movie even came out. Queen Jamilla says something to the effect of "At least the Republic has managed to reduce the Federation's army. That's a step in the right direction." To which Anakin states that, well, matter of fact, they haven't been reduced one whit and the Jedi haven't been allowed to investigate.

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Date Posted: 10/5/07 4:39am Subject: RE: The Official Death Star Novel Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
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