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Kyptastic
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patchworkz7 posted:
I don't think Karen has made it a secret that after Mandos, Imperials are something she'd love to dig deeper into, and I know she ended up quite liking the character of Lumiya.
Considering how well she wrote them in Sacrifice, Karen would make a great choice to detail the events around Shira and Mara's battle on Capriolli...
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GrandAdmiralJello
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I don't think Karen has made it a secret that after Mandos, Imperials are something she'd love to dig deeper into, and I know she ended up quite liking the character of Lumiya.
Yeah, during a book signing here right after C4 she said that she'd love doing a story on the army or the stormtroopers. She didn't seem interested in the officers though.
I'm not easy to please when it comes to my Empire. She can try her hand at it if she wants, but while I stay quiet on the Mando front I am very, very protective of the Empire. Let's hope she gets them right. 
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Havac
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patchworkz7 posted:
GrandAdmiralJello posted:
Oh, I know she does. I've gathered as much from the various panels I've seen her in.
The thing is, my interest is in the upper crust. And I have no idea on how she'll portray them. 
That's...interesting.
I'll admit that I have no idea how she'd jump with those either. There's two flag officers I know she respects, but one is two young at the time and one has a cameo in RC:TC.
She respects Vader, but how the Moffs are viewed would be different than how the Grand Admirals or other flag officers or viewed.
Huh, I'm going to pass this question on, if you don't mind. I don't think we'll see much of Palpatine's Empire in O66, but it's something to think about for the future.
Who's the non-Pellaeon? Rogriss, maybe?
You know who I'd be interested in seeing her take on, though? Soontir Fel. He's pretty much exactly what she wants in an officer.
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patchworkz7
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Havac posted:
You know who I'd be interested in seeing her take on, though? Soontir Fel. He's pretty much exactly what she wants in an officer.
It seems like he falls in a weird area of the timeline, and I'm not sure what the open eras for books are, as the TV show is supposed to gobble up a good area of the BBY period. He is an interesting character though, and I think I'll pass that on as well.
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GrandAdmiralJello
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I could see her doing a Soontir Fel.
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Havac
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patchworkz7 posted:
Havac posted:
You know who I'd be interested in seeing her take on, though? Soontir Fel. He's pretty much exactly what she wants in an officer.
It seems like he falls in a weird area of the timeline, and I'm not sure what the open eras for books are, as the TV show is supposed to gobble up a good area of the BBY period. He is an interesting character though, and I think I'll pass that on as well.
He (shameless plug) was active late BBY. In the Academy 10-6 BBY, TIE pilot 6-4 building an impressive reputation, fleet captain 4-2 BBY, busted down to academy instructor 2-0 BBY, transferred to the 181st 0 BBY, builds it into a monster, and the rest is history. So his really active BBY years are 6-2, fairly late on.
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Rouge77 posted:
Why would she portray any of the effete and debauched high-ranking-Imperials-to-be at all? And if she would, we can pretty sure that they would be portrayed negatively - and so correctly - because after all, they are oppressing the poor downtrodden clones too...
Why? We've seen from Hard Contact that the clones didn't exist terribly much past the end of the Clone Wars as the genetic engineered age accelerant sped up...
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dp4m posted:
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Why would she portray any of the effete and debauched high-ranking-Imperials-to-be at all? And if she would, we can pretty sure that they would be portrayed negatively - and so correctly - because after all, they are oppressing the poor downtrodden clones too...
Why? We've seen from Hard Contact that the clones didn't exist terribly much past the end of the Clone Wars as the genetic engineered age accelerant sped up...
Karen grew up in the port and naval base city of Portsmouth and has a lot of respect for Naval traditions (the HMS Victory is still docked in Portsmouth, lovely thing to visit if you find yourself there). That respect bleeds into a respect for Admirals as well, as during talks about several Imperial figures she has favourably compared them to figures such as Lord Nelson and Francis Drake.
While her work may focus on the soldiers at the bottom rung, there's no reason to assume that she'd look at the Imperial high command as "effete and debauched", and I'm at a bit of a loss as to where that idea came from (either for Karen or from anyone as the high command was by turns nasty and noble but I've never seen them match that description in any EU material).
The only command staff type of folks I think we've seen Karen cover have been, with the exception of Jacen, depicted either favourably, or as career minded officers, and even General Zey in the RC series is shown in a good light (and he's even a Jedi *shock!*).
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You still haven't said who the second admiral is . . . and inquiring minds want to know.
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patchworkz7 posted:
While her work may focus on the soldiers at the bottom rung, there's no reason to assume that she'd look at the Imperial high command as "effete and debauched", and I'm at a bit of a loss as to where that idea came from (either for Karen or from anyone as the high command was by turns nasty and noble but I've never seen them match that description in any EU material).
Think about the Imperial Grand Admirals and Admirals we have seen; how many of them were competent officers of good character who got where they were because of their talents? Officers like this - Thrawn, Pellaeon, Rogriss - were a small minority. Mostly the high-ranking Imperial officers were men of lesser talents, raised to their high rank at relatively young age because of their family backgrounds or contacts which they had to the Imperial court. Many of them were truly effete and debauched, most of the rest were just plain mediocre. And I was not writing about Imperial high command as such, but about the Imperial "upper crust", to use the term from the post I replied to.
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Which of the Grand Admirals didn't get there through skill? Il-Raz. That's it. One out of thirteen.
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There were others of at best mediocre ability among the Grand Admirals, many of we given the position for other reasons than military merit: Batch, Declann, Tigellinus etc.
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dp4m posted:
Rouge77 posted:
Why would she portray any of the effete and debauched high-ranking-Imperials-to-be at all? And if she would, we can pretty sure that they would be portrayed negatively - and so correctly - because after all, they are oppressing the poor downtrodden clones too...
Why? We've seen from Hard Contact that the clones didn't exist terribly much past the end of the Clone Wars as the genetic engineered age accelerant sped up...
I assume this is canon, right? Because it seems to be contradicted somewhat by Battlefront II, in which the same clone narrator is apparently used all the way from the Clone Wars to TESB.
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Rouge77 posted:
There were others of at best mediocre ability among the Grand Admirals, many of we given the position for other reasons than military merit: Batch, Declann, Tigellinus etc.
Huh? What are you basing Batch on? He was behind the TIE Phantom program, and although he did fail at that due to the Rebel attack, he was one of the original Grand Admirals and there's no reason to suspect he got that by anything other than merit. He was the engineer of the group, true, but there's nothing wrong with that. At the level of Grand Admiral I don't think the focus is really on military strategy skills as much as the ability to run the system.
Declann had distinguished himself in the Clone Wars as well as a TIE pilot before being discovered to be Force-sensitive. He trained elite TIE pilots and helped guide the forces at Endor via the Force until he felt the Emperor die and rushed to him, only to die when DS II went up.
You may have a point about Tigellinus, but the point is that the Grand Admirals were as much political creatures as military. Not quite in the same way as the Moffs, but there's a reason he was a Grand Moff and a Grand Admiral.
Teshik was a bit of a rare case of being a great Admiral who failed an important mission and was badly wounded to the point he was shunned by the Emperor, but at Endor, he was the Empire's best hope of snatching victory from defeat.
Grant was a strategic genius but light on politics, but he survived longer than any of the others, and he kept his fleet and sector together.
Pitta and Grunger are never really given any spotlight, so we don't know about them.
Thrawn was a genius, bar none.
To be blunt, the rest are ciphers and hardly mentioned, so we really have no idea WHAT they were like, and it's a bit surprising that even the Wook has so much on them off a mention or two in INSIDER features or chatter from Pena or Wallace.
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10 out of the 12 were military geniuses. Tigellinius and Il-Raz were there because of their political genius.
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