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Master-Chief-Kenobi
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Date Posted:
5/15 2:20pm
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RE: The next Novel Contract - Updates from Sue
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Jedimarine posted:
Ris_jSarek posted:
Master-Chief-Kenobi posted:
Bantam era star wars is absolutly perfect. Not a single problem there, star wars EU at its absolute best.
Umm . . . wow. Crystal Star? Planet of Twilight?
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I can appreciate your position Master-Chief-Kenobi...but we can't cast the entire Bantam series in gold and thrust it on a pedestal.
And despite a less then enthusiastic run in the new millennium, Del Rey has delivered a few gems...I look to Star by Star and Labyrinth of Evil here primarily.
In truth...I think Del Rey just needs to break loose from this "club" of authors they've got just now...fresh blood more often.
Luceno, Denning, Travis, Allston, repeat...
oh...and a Stover if you're good.
Bantam did have some stinkers but I can overlook that because it never got depressing and it always retained the feel of the original 3 movies. LOTF, NJO & DNT never really feel like star wars to me. I HATED Star By Star. An unbelievebly depressing & compeltely unncessary massacre of children sent on a suicide mission Luke Skywalker could have easilly taken care of himself without getting Anikan killed. Labriynth of Evil however was fantastic, a GREAT GREAT lead-in to the ROTS movie. I have enjoyed del reys stand alone novels like Death Star, Allegiance & POD but the larger main series, not so much. One good thing about Labrinth of Evil is that I never liked or understood the prequals until I read the ROTS trology of Labrynth of evil, ROTS & Dark Lord. They converted me, I Loved all 3 of those books. But at the end of the day I hate needlessly long series & depressing story lines that never have any hope or happiness in them. Legacy (comics) is so good because as dark as it is, it never gets depressing or hopeless. As bad as Crystal Star & Planet of Twilight may have been I personally find them vastly suprior to stuff like Sacrifice, Star by Star (not trolling, I actually do hate this book) & Balance Point.
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Solus
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5/15 3:09pm
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I'm hoping that there are more Old Republic Era novels. Such as the fall of Ulic Qel-droma and Exar Kun and more sith novels (such as Darth Banes). I actually liked the New Jedi Order, but I despise Legacy of the Force.
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Emperor_Time
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5/15 6:35pm
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I'm not suprise by who got the contract. 
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TuskenTommy
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5/17 8:11pm
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I am gonna assume this is the correct place to put down my opinion about waht i like & want more of w/ the new contract...
-#1 A new lengthy series. The longer the better. As long as NJO is great because i get mass amounts of new books & if the overall story is worthy than the book will be worthy esp if it's a homerun writer like Stover,Luceno,Denning or maybe even my favorite-Greg Keys..
--This is why i LOVED the Legacy series. Great writers. Atleast the males. Not really a fan of Travis & her Mando's.. Esp after what she pulled w/..nvermind..But i really love almost everything Troy Denning has done & Allston is growing on me...
--I think the reason some books are better than others isn't exactly due to the writer..It's the story..Star By Star was almost guaranteed to be popular based on the strike teams roster & the major death of a beloved etc..At the same time a writer can really improve a story such as Coutship did. That was a So-So story imo but really excelled. maybe taht wasnt the best of example.. Is Shadowhunter a better example? That writer really made me enjoy Darth maul. Whom i always thought was a super lame character. Yeah he looked cool but i wasnt 14 years old when i 1st saw TPM.
--So here's my wish list for the next series.
-12+-14+ book series.
-Guaranteed writers-Greg Keyes,Stover,Luceno,Allston,Troy Denning,And Old School himself-
Kevin J Anderson- lol. doubtful but hey.
--A great story more along the lines of a new threat(NJO-ish) instead of/or VS- say Legacy where they take a current fav character and that's the focus..Ideas are as follows=
-A new outbound flight,,They go to the Vong homeworld/galaxy. Unknowns regions are explored and the Revan True sith are dicovered and the somehow,saomeway battle The One Sith. Without Krayt maybe. And Maybe in the end it's a 3-way fight between both sith sects and the Jedi order. Maybe by this point the Imp Knights are established and they get in on it too. woot...But the cool part (IMO) could be Luke &/or the True sith destroying Krayts One Sith thus forcing Krayt to start over from Scratch and this could explain why he waited 100-ish years to strike, instead of striking Lukes ordeer etc.. I could see a story like that strtching out to a very long series that will make atleast half of the long series bashers happy.
---Mando's vs anyone just isn't enough imo.
-Could the stablishment of Jags order w/ Imp Knights be enough to warrant a great multi book story arc? Could the Imp Knights act fight the jedi?
--I know many, in fact MOST are anti-long series but as a diehard SW reader who hasn'tmissed a book in over a decade, and i have the impressive looking bookshelf to back it, I feel like it's my right to share my opinion about being Pro long series. NJO was just the best reading ever for me & i want that again. Just like anything else that is that good. We/I want more..
---I'd also like to see a trilogy setting up the New Empire & Imp Knights done by none other than Zahn. He has flaws but he handles certain stuff really well & i think this would be right up his alley.. I dunno where it would fit itno what i wishlisted above but if they dont do a long series than i wish for Zahn to make the connections for us...
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The2ndQuest
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Date Posted:
5/17 8:18pm
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The problem with a mega-series like NJO is you risk things feeling stretched out, repetitive or becoming filler. Early LOTF suffered from this, and around 1/4th the way through the NJO, they had fallen into the trap of predictable "We're safe here- except for the secret Vong agent prepping the invasion about to spring here as we convicne people to evacuate" patterns, but eventually managed to course-correct.
Also, I think you also need to cinsider the sheer size of a story that would mandate such a large series- you need something on the scope of the Vong War or Clone Wars to be able to support such a size. Unlikely we'd get such a series set post-LOTF; though if they blaze a new era in the Old Republic eras, there's certainly room for it- but I also don't see them dedictaing such a large portion of a contract to a non-movie-connected era like that either. Though a LOTF-sized series is plausible (especially since LOTF was originally planned to be a OR series).
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TuskenTommy
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5/17 9:19pm
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I see you're valid points. What i loved about the length of the NJO is that i can re-read from a library of options. 19 books is a hellova selection to choose from. Depends on what era of teh Vong war i feel like reading atthat time.. On to this arc, i am interested in reading the Mara book again as well as Betrayal. Then again there's alwasy the Kashyyk attack & that awesome Luke Cadeus fight with the embrace o' pain etc... So it comes down to quantity -vs- quality. IMO the quality is more likely to be where there's quantity. This could be debated but for me if the story is great, & legacy & the NJO are, then the writers have alot less the disappoint us with. And if there a all star cast like my post above then the odds are in the green for some A+ quality.. Honestly, could you see Denning or Keyes totaly screwing up to the point that you become unhappy w/ the arc? Flow-Walking & mediclorians attempted to do that to me, but i refused to allow it... I guess it's a personal p[refference.. For me though, i started w/ the single shots with Bantham. I read all of em in order and some were painful, while others i enjoyed. Mainly though, i only enjoyed the series like Academy,Thrawn,Black Fleet(somewhat eh), Crystal Star was rough. I did enjoy new rebellion & darksaber. I liked that New Republic general, err colonel? the one the Hutt executed. So my point is that i've been on both sides o' the fence & was at my happiest in Legacy & NJO. I doubt anything can top my happiness during the NJO. The excitement every few months of going to Barnes & Noble and getting that perfect setup going at home with a derailed & cleverly distracted wife is one of my best SW reading memoories 
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Whizkid posted:
You can't judge how people feel about DR from a few hundred posters on a forum when their audience consists of hundreds of thousands. Hardcore online fans of anything are always going to be overly critical. I notice the same trend in every major interest I have. The people who enjoy their entertainment for what it is are always going to outnumber those who love to hate the things they love.
And yet, every time a Legacy comic comes out, there are lots of people doing a happy dance, while there are more or less two to three haters. Hmmm...
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Given the steady high sales volume for most of what they've put out, I think it's unlikely the incumbent will be voted out of office.
Given the amount of younger characters they have killed off, in a few years none of them will be left alive to carry on the series.
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I think the EU could learn a thing or two from Hollywood and go with a full-on reboot. I know a lot of people here would hate that, but think about how much fun the Thrawn books were because the only continuity you had to know about was the story of the movies.
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I thought NJO was brilliant but they were milking it with LOTF-it didn't work as well. What I would be interested in, however, is perhaps a series set between TPM and AOTC with Jedi, senators from the Old Republic. Except I haven't read too many comics so I'm unsure of whether this era has been covered already or not.
But I don't ever want another LOTF era series. trilogies, standalones, fine. But when NJO ended I really wanted another series but LOTF was a bit of a let down (some good novels but the idea didn't work for me).
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dizfactor
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5/18 3:38am
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
I think the EU could learn a thing or two from Hollywood and go with a full-on reboot. I know a lot of people here would hate that, but think about how much fun the Thrawn books were because the only continuity you had to know about was the story of the movies.
I didn't think the Thrawn books were much fun. Actually, I kind of thought they sucked, and they kind of kept me off the EU for a long time.
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dizfactor posted:
Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
I think the EU could learn a thing or two from Hollywood and go with a full-on reboot. I know a lot of people here would hate that, but think about how much fun the Thrawn books were because the only continuity you had to know about was the story of the movies.
I didn't think the Thrawn books were much fun. Actually, I kind of thought they sucked, and they kind of kept me off the EU for a long time.
Same here. I re-read the Thrawn Trilogy as an adult, and was not impressed. I am, however, completely against a re-boot unless it was Infinities (which they've done in a way)...
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Master-Chief-Kenobi
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WHy can't we have years of standalones & trilogies about the jedi cleaning up the galaxy in the aftermath of the vong war? We could also see the imoperial mission & knights doing the same thing and see the beginings of why the jedi & imp knights dont like each other.
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Master-Chief-Kenobi posted:
WHy can't we have years of standalones & trilogies about the jedi cleaning up the galaxy in the aftermath of the vong war?
Because the standalones and trilogies traditionally aren't that interesting, except where they addressed the overall NR/GE war. Those that didn't--The Crystal Star, the Bounty Hunter trilogy, Children of the Jedi and Planet of Twilight, arguably The New Rebellion--don't seem to be well-received, at least by the online fanbase.
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5/18 9:51am
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ATimson posted:
Master-Chief-Kenobi posted:
WHy can't we have years of standalones & trilogies about the jedi cleaning up the galaxy in the aftermath of the vong war?
Because the standalones and trilogies traditionally aren't that interesting, except where they addressed the overall NR/GE war. Those that didn't--The Crystal Star, the Bounty Hunter trilogy, Children of the Jedi and Planet of Twilight, arguably The New Rebellion--don't seem to be well-received, at least by the online fanbase.
Judging by what I see on-line the giant mega-series are even less loved then the standalones. 19 part series don't work, they're too big & bloated and myself personally i resent having to wait 3-5 years to get the end of a novel. I won't read another giant epic series & I suspect the (online anyway) fanbase doesn't want one either. Most people I suspect were completley burnt out on the epic mega-series after NJO and when presented with ANOTHER 2 year, 9 part epic were like "bloody hell not AGAIN."
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5/18 10:04am
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ATimson posted:
Master-Chief-Kenobi posted:
WHy can't we have years of standalones & trilogies about the jedi cleaning up the galaxy in the aftermath of the vong war?
Because the standalones and trilogies traditionally aren't that interesting, except where they addressed the overall NR/GE war. Those that didn't--The Crystal Star, the Bounty Hunter trilogy, Children of the Jedi and Planet of Twilight, arguably The New Rebellion--don't seem to be well-received, at least by the online fanbase.
I would say that was more due to the writing/poor plotlines than anything else. Stover stand-alone, or Luceno stand-alone, would undoubtedly be better than a Hammbly or Vonda stand-alone regardless of timeframe, story, etc.
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