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GoA
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5/18 10:27am
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PadmeA_Panties posted:
ATimson posted:
Master-Chief-Kenobi posted:
WHy can't we have years of standalones & trilogies about the jedi cleaning up the galaxy in the aftermath of the vong war?
Because the standalones and trilogies traditionally aren't that interesting, except where they addressed the overall NR/GE war. Those that didn't--The Crystal Star, the Bounty Hunter trilogy, Children of the Jedi and Planet of Twilight, arguably The New Rebellion--don't seem to be well-received, at least by the online fanbase.
I would say that was more due to the writing/poor plotlines than anything else. Stover stand-alone, or Luceno stand-alone, would undoubtedly be better than a Hammbly or Vonda stand-alone regardless of timeframe, story, etc.
This is what I was going to say. It wasn't the fact those books were standalones, but because they were simply not very well written books, or interesting stories.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon
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5/18 10:31am
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Adam_Bosman posted:
dizfactor posted:
Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
I think the EU could learn a thing or two from Hollywood and go with a full-on reboot. I know a lot of people here would hate that, but think about how much fun the Thrawn books were because the only continuity you had to know about was the story of the movies.
I didn't think the Thrawn books were much fun. Actually, I kind of thought they sucked, and they kind of kept me off the EU for a long time.
Same here. I re-read the Thrawn Trilogy as an adult, and was not impressed. I am, however, completely against a re-boot unless it was Infinities (which they've done in a way)...
I think there are basically three kinds of Star Wars EU fans:
1.Those who are primarily into the specific characters in the movies and prefer Star Wars to be the continuing adventures of Luke/Leia/Han and/or Anakin/Obi-Wan
2. Those who are primarily into the overall universe and would just as well read things like Legacy and Republic Commando
3. Those who just like it all
I and most of my friends tend to be in category 1, and let's face it, the current EU continuity is just about out of things to do with the heroes of the OT besides kill them off. At this point the franchise is basically worthless for those of us who are primarily fans of the "Luke and the Rebels vs. the Empire" stuff that made up the OT. A reboot would be an ideal way to keep folks like us a part of things.
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Emperor_Time
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I am in category 3 and thus do not want a reboot ever. 
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Rouge77
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I have to say that I wouldn't terribly mind reboot at the moment.
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T-boy-wan
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A reboot would never work. thats starting from scratch. its kinda too late now. we'd all be expecting characters like mara, kyp, corran and the solo kids to show up even if they didn't exist anymore. and even if they were still there they might be completely different to the characters we already know. I haven't been terribly happy with LOTF but I don't think a reboot is possible, is there any other way out of this mess?
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Magnuskn
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Hm, I would like a clean-up of old errors ( ANAKIN! SOLO! ARRRGGGHH ! ), but all being said, I don´t want to invalidate the continuity as it is, because then Legacy would be negatively impacted. If that were not the case, I wouldn´t mind a reboot to VOTF *at all*. I could really have done without the Yuuzhan Vong, Vergere, kriffing Bugs and witless Sith Baby Jacen.
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TuskenTommy
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Master-Chief-Kenobi posted:
WHy can't we have years of standalones & trilogies about the jedi cleaning up the galaxy in the aftermath of the vong war? We could also see the imoperial mission & knights doing the same thing and see the beginings of why the jedi & imp knights dont like each other.
We can! But at the same time a series doesn't have to be 100% about say a organic warrior invasion, or our favorite son going Darth. The new series can be a IMP related series, where Jag cleans up Moffs & Sets up IMP knights. And has children etc, Also how the Jedi fit in & of cocurse The One Sith.. You say tomatoe, i say tomatoe. I want6 a series -vs- standalones, buit i want standalones w/ my series. Let the standalones be in a are outside our precious. Or MY PRECIOUS. Like Clone Wars,Kotor,GCW ETC...<IMO of course..
Solus posted:
I'm hoping that there are more Old Republic Era novels. Such as the fall of Ulic Qel-droma and Exar Kun and more sith novels (such as Darth Banes). I actually liked the New Jedi Order, but I despise Legacy of the Force.
Sure, but not at teh expense of the ongoing storyline/timeline. I can't see anyone honestly tell me that 5 years post Bane, or Exar Kun is more exciting to the avg reader than Luke's current order/timeline..
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But I don't ever want another LOTF era series. trilogies, standalones, fine. But when NJO ended I really wanted another series but LOTF was a bit of a let down (some good novels but the idea didn't work for me).
I'm really sorry you feel that way.(no sarcasm) I loved the LOTF series. Sure the series had it's downs but what doesn't. It was more than Just Luke/Jedi -vs- Cadeus, we got to be updated on everything else going on w/ the current timeline. That's gotta count for something right?
dizfactor posted:
I didn't think the Thrawn books were much fun. Actually, I kind of thought they sucked, and they kind of kept me off the EU for a long time.
What!?!?!? Well your in the minority there. The Thrawn series was well above average just because of the storyline(writing aside) Mara,Kaarde,Kaardes huge crew,Palleon!. I could go on & on, but most loved the story even if Zahn's writing annoyed them. they loved the stroty & characters and locations like Wayland etc..
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Master-Chief-Kenobi posted:
WHy can't we have years of standalones & trilogies about the jedi cleaning up the galaxy in the aftermath of the vong war?
Because the standalones and trilogies traditionally aren't that interesting, except where they addressed the overall NR/GE war. Those that didn't--The Crystal Star, the Bounty Hunter trilogy, Children of the Jedi and Planet of Twilight, arguably The New Rebellion--don't seem to be well-received, at least by the online fanbase.
AGREED 100%
Master-Chief-Kenobi posted:
WHy can't we have years of standalones & trilogies about the jedi cleaning up the galaxy in the aftermath of the vong war?
Because the standalones and trilogies traditionally aren't that interesting, except where they addressed the overall NR/GE war. Those that didn't--The Crystal Star, the Bounty Hunter trilogy, Children of the Jedi and Planet of Twilight, arguably The New Rebellion--don't seem to be well-received, at least by the online fanbase.
Judging by what I see on-line the giant mega-series are even less loved then the standalones. 19 part series don't work, they're too big & bloated and myself personally i resent having to wait 3-5 years to get the end of a novel. I won't read another giant epic series & I suspect the (online anyway) fanbase doesn't want one either. Most people I suspect were completley burnt out on the epic mega-series after NJO and when presented with ANOTHER 2 year, 9 part epic were like "bloody hell not AGAIN." [/quote]You're wrong, because i do want one & i am part of the community/fanbase & there are others..
-Sorry about the mess. This is my 1st post where i try/attempted to do multible quotes..
---I am anti re-boot because i love more than i dislike current events. Like Corran,Kyp,Jag,Jaina,jacen,Tenna Ka,Allana etc etc. I could go on all day about what i love about the story since post ROTJ.. IMO They did a AWESOME JOB since The Truce At Bakura because i was thinking how booty that story was at the time. And i was afraid SW EU reading was gonna suck.. I'm all for a Re-boot with a Infinity /What If stamp on it. Maybe a trilogy or duology & i'f we like it it could run along w/ kinda sorta...
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TuskenTommy posted:
AGREED 100%
I liked New Rebellion.
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The Leagcy comic books are very good, but what I I'm concered with is the constant gloom and doom of the prequels makeing thier way onto that above era. We've had the three books of the Swarm War, 9 Books of LOTF and the Legacy comic books and they feel like a re-tread of the prequls. That, I am not begining to like becuase it turning out to be the same thing.
I hope that the new book contract brings variety. Not one series/era with too many books. Realistically, that isn't going to happen though. I'm suspecting either a long series withing the Episode 3 and 4 periods or after LOTF. I also don't want a 9 book series on the Old Republic era. We still have a thrid game that needs to finish that storyline plus the on-going stuff that we are getting in-between the video games by John Jackson Miller.
Hopefully, in the contract, we don't have a Clone War book, cause we are already getting one animated movie, 22 tv animated episodes for season 1 clocking in at 22 minutes each bringing the total to 484 minutes of tv animation which translate to almost 6 hours and some minutes of tv animation plus whatever long is the movie. Then we have the novel, juvenile books, 6 comic books, plus the querterly digest of 96 pages. Not to mention all the other stuff that is coming out.
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The thing is, I think DR has overdone the 'big series' idea. We'll see what they produce this time :wince:
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TuskenTommy
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I wish Sue had a request/suggestion message board. In fact i wish we could contact any of the writers along w/ Sue & the decision makers. We fans are the lifeblood of they're careers.. Ourvoice should be heard on a level we know it's being heard. I mean if i was Stover or Luceno I'd go check out the Force.nets boards & Literature forum sounds like the 1st place i'd go. So do any of em frequent? I know the Legacy comic Artist & writer does, but anyone else?
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Katana_Geldar
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5/18 5:28pm
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They do come here just not that often
Had a long concersation with Stover about vergere, it went for several months. The truth is that they want to leave it up to us to decide things and a lot of the authors are still under contract and tell you things that you can't repeat.
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WraithLead
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5/18 6:05pm
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I must be in the minority on three things,
1. I had no problem with the LENGTH of the NJO series. I thought it had many, many flaws, but length wasn't one of them. Granted, it's hard to do, keep tidy, and remain organized with minor plots, too many characters et al...but if they had shown more discipline, not changed plans mid series, that could be avoided. The length of the series highlighted other areas, a depressing story arc included, but the length itself wasn't an issue to me.
2. I actually liked the DN trilogy. I just did. It was a fun read, and well paced.
3. (the most important one to me) I hate the depressing nature of the books as well...this 'war sucks, they're just being realistic' argument towards grim and gritty affects everything in pop-culture...it's been raging for ages with everything from hair-bands and metal, to superman growing long hair, to Star Wars being dark and grim. But seriously, I still stand by the "This is fine, but it ISN'T Star Wars' theme...Would you try to argue that ROTJ would have been the same if Lando and the Falcon died in the death star? Or maybe Han should have died during the prison escape in ANH. No? Then during what would definitely be considered a 'botched' raid on Endor? Certainly you would at least let Wicket, Threepio and Artoo meet some disastrous fate. That would have made the movies more 'realistic' too right? I mean, people DIE in war. It's the way of things. There's no way some kid would get behind the controls of a spaceship, make a 'one in a million' shot to take down a giant space base on his first flight, have a swashbuckling pirate discover morals and altruism in the nick of time and save the day with a sneak attack on the most skilled pilot in the arena, have the baddest guy in the galaxy discover that maybe he's not so evil after all...You see where I'm going, right?
In the Bantam vs. Del Rey debate, I think that is why I pick Bantam. Del Rey is caught in a downward spiral. Can LOTF really be considered a 'win' for the good guys, or did they simply stop the catastrophe before ALL was lost and stop the hemorrhaging?
That is why I was hoping del rey didn't get the new contract. since it appears they did, maybe they'll return to what made it popular.
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5/18 6:22pm
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This really isn't the DR-vs-Bantam thread.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon
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Wraith raises a significant issue, though, that is worth considering with regard to the future of the franchise.
The Bantam books were for the most part what I would call 'OT-style'. By that I mean they tended to feature black-and-white moralities and had a romantic, adventurous tone.
The Del Rey books have been much more 'PT-style'. They're much darker and tend to deconstruct many things about the SW Universe that were taken for granted in the days when there was just the OT. They've also become increasingly concerned with PT stories and characters, notably Fett and the Mandalorian clones.
Among fans, things seem to have played out pretty much the same way as they did with the OT and the PT. Many fans of the Bantam books fell away from the franchise due to disappointment with the Del Rey series. Some people who were never fans of the Bantam books were brought into the EU by their enjoyment of the Del Rey books. And then a whole lot of readers have simply enjoyed the whole long ride.
I (along with, I'm sure, many others) would like LucasFilm to offer more stories along the lines of the OT/Bantam style. I don't mean they should abandon the PT/Del Rey style of stories, but I think it would be ideal for the whole of Star Wars fandom if they could offer BOTH. Then the Bantam-style fans can still have some stories they like, the Del Rey-style fans can have some stories they like, and the rest of everyone can have A LOT of stories they like.
Sure, LucasFilm doesn't NEED the Bantam-style fans; they're making plenty of money off the rest. But I think it's better franchise management to embrace ALL the ways in which Star Wars inspires fans to read.
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