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DeJade_Vu
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12/10/07 10:18am
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An interesting theory about Mara in "Sacrifice"
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So I am one of those people who is bitter about the useless death of my Mara in Sacrifice. And I was wondering, what was the point of having such a popular and well-established character die? Did it really accomplish anything in the series other than to give a "shock" to the readers? And after awhile I came up with a far-fetched and hypothetical theory on why she was let go.
As we all well know, Lucas has said that there will be no more SW movies. BUT, what about after he dies? Will the heirs of his films decide to make more? What if they did so, and decided to make them about the Big Three? By this, I mean that the films would take place long after ROTJ, when the Big Three are older (I've heard of that possibility for SW sequels. I can't remember where--maybe an Insider?).
But how would it be possible to do this when the EU novels are so popular? Especially since Luke kinda got married...it would be hard to show him with a wife and not have to film TTT to explain where she came from. So what to do? Well, get rid of Mara, of course!
Naturally this is a HYPOTHETICAL THEORY and should be taken as such. I don't think that the authors & editors put their heads together and purposely "fixed" the plots about the Big Three just so they would be ready for any possible future sequels. But still, if those sequels were ever made, wouldn't it be convenient if Luke was unattached so they would have the awkward wifely backstory to think about? Very convenient, indeed.
Of course there's other things to consider in such sequels, such as how Jaina and Jacen would figure into them (if they are shown) but I have to go to work now.
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More_Friendly_Robots
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They'd still have to explain Ben.
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JainaSolo00
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I think there is so much they'd have to explain anyway, they wouldn't kill Mara just to solve future movie issues. I doubt the authors of the books are even remotely considering movie sequels.
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Thrawn McEwok
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12/10/07 11:34am
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I'm pretty sure they killed Mara because they wanted a high-profile casualty, and she was the only available character.
Luke, Han and Leia are all off-limits.
Ben would be (a.) dangerously young, and (b.) too like Anakin Solo.
Jaina is the only protagonist they have left under the age of 55. Not that they've used her much. 
Zekk, Jag, Kyp and Lowie are needed to keep the Jaina 'shipper wars going.
Lando wouldn't have had enough impact.
What this may REALLY reflect, though, is the failure of the post-NJO EU to develop a sufficiently diverse range of supporting characters in the DelRey era.
Consider the Rogue and Wraith novels, the characters who were developed there and killed off. Think of Lujayne and Erisi in the Rogue books, and even Kirtan Loor; or Falyn Sandskimmer, Jesmin Ackbar, and Ton Phanan's "still up there" in the Wraith novels....
Think about Plat Mallar in the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, or even Mace Windu in the Prequels.
They hadn't done anything like that in too long: so, Mara had to be the target.
At a guess, anyway.
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
Lowie
Thrawn McEwok posted:
Ton Phanan
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
I'm pretty sure they killed Mara because they wanted a high-profile casualty, and she was the only available character.
Luke, Han and Leia are all off-limits.
Ben would be (a.) dangerously young, and (b.) too like Anakin Solo.
Jaina is the only protagonist they have left under the age of 55. Not that they've used her much.
Zekk, Jag, Kyp and Lowie are needed to keep the Jaina 'shipper wars going.
Lando wouldn't have had enough impact.
What this may REALLY reflect, though, is the failure of the post-NJO EU to develop a sufficiently diverse range of supporting characters in the DelRey era.
Consider the Rogue and Wraith novels, the characters who were developed there and killed off. Think of Lujayne and Erisi in the Rogue books, and even Kirtan Loor; or Falyn Sandskimmer, Jesmin Ackbar, and Ton Phanan's "still up there" in the Wraith novels....
Think about Plat Mallar in the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, or even Mace Windu in the Prequels.
They hadn't done anything like that in too long: so, Mara had to be the target.
At a guess, anyway.
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They did it because it was the easiest/safest move. It showed how cowardly they really are about changing anything...to the point that the absurdity of the Big 3 in years to come will become a rolling punchline in this style of fiction, and amongst disenchanted fans.
Don't give those people an excuse for the senseless sorrow they brought to you and others...cause they are just waiting for something to come up in fandom to explain away their missteps...not just for Mara but for the whole LOTF...they did it with NJO, and now they'll try again...
"oh 'insert your reasoning' was what we intended all along."
It was a gutless move...accept it...be angry...you can love star wars and dislike the people who are working on it.(or meddling, you choose)
But never fear...no doubt someone will have an interesting fan fic about ghost Mara and ghost Anakin Solo watching the events in LOTF unfold.
It might be better then those books.
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Havac
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12/10/07 12:04pm
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
Ton Phanan's "still up there" in the Wraith novels....
"It's up there again."
Really, I think there are supporting characters there if the authors were to use them -- Jag, Zekk, Lowie, Waroo, Valin, Jysella, Tesar, Syal, Myri, Kolir, Doran . . . the real problem is in developing new characters who aren't dependent on bloodline or growing up with the heroes in order to make it into the story, something they haven't seemed able to do since the NJO. They need to start writing more than the Solo/Skywalker heroes and give us that large, diverse cast. More importantly, they need to focus and develop the characters. Kam, Waroo, Valin -- they all get name-dropped, but there's hardly and character built around them, any consistency, any depth. They're just names, trotted out once in a blue moon, and that's that. The Expanded Universe really needs to get to expanding.
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I'm hoping that the novel series after Legacy will focus on new characters (and existing minor characters, not that there's much difference ) and expanding the post-NJO universe rather than the "Big Three". 
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Havac posted:
Thrawn McEwok posted:
Ton Phanan's "still up there" in the Wraith novels....
"It's up there again."
Really, I think there are supporting characters there if the authors were to use them -- Jag, Zekk, Lowie, Waroo, Valin, Jysella, Tesar, Syal, Myri, Kolir, Doran . . . the real problem is in developing new characters who aren't dependent on bloodline or growing up with the heroes in order to make it into the story, something they haven't seemed able to do since the NJO. They need to start writing more than the Solo/Skywalker heroes and give us that large, diverse cast. More importantly, they need to focus and develop the characters. Kam, Waroo, Valin -- they all get name-dropped, but there's hardly and character built around them, any consistency, any depth. They're just names, trotted out once in a blue moon, and that's that. The Expanded Universe really needs to get to expanding.
That's been my biggest issue with the recent NJO-and-beyond novels. No characters other than the Big Three and their offspring have starred in them. It's getting stale, especially when you consider that there's a bunch of minor characters that could be interesting, if developed more, such as the Horn kids, and any number of younger Jedi.
Say what you will about the Clone Wars era novels, but at least not all of them were about Anakin and Obi-Wan. The Med Star books, the Republic Commando books, Shatterpoint, etc. They had secondary characters (in comparison to Anakin/Obi-Wan from the movies) in starring roles, and that added variety and interest. Whereas, the post-NJO novels are all about one family, and one family only (with name dropping of various characters, but very little actual "screen time" for them, toss in).
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Doesn't Legacy prove that you don't need explanations?
-We don't have an explanation on the IK's, yet we accept them. (Of course we want an explanation, but we don't need one.)
-Fel's - again we don't know how they're still around or even if they're related to the Fel we currently have.
-Cade - we know his father, but we don't know his father's father. We really wouldn't have needed a Kol part of the equation to accept him as a Skywalker.
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A Sequel Trilogy should never be made. The actors are too old and if anybody else played the Big Three fans would just ***** and moan about it like they do everything else. If they did a movie without the Big Three movie fans would complain about their absence.
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I think Mara death was needed in order to give Ben a reason to finish off Jacen hopefully. 
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Darth_Hydra posted:
A Sequel Trilogy should never be made. The actors are too old and if anybody else played the Big Three fans would just ***** and moan about it like they do everything else. If they did a movie without the Big Three movie fans would complain about their absence.
They aren't too old to play mentor roles.
I could accept Luke's passing far more if it were in a way that GL visualized it and put on film. The real reason a sequel trilogy can't be made is this: it's not that Mark and Carrie are too old... it's that they have aged horribly. Harrison looks way younger than either of those two and he's like 10 years their senior.
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of course of course.
there are mara fans on this site who don't think her death was necessary.
and there are those who think she wasn't important enough to die!
there is no question that you mean well with your question -- but it's kinda silly.
in hopes of some distant future little Lucas kids making SW movies once Papa dies with the original cast?
i know you were being hypothetical...
but wouldn't it be weird if they decided to do it and the Big 3 DIDN'T have kids some 35 years later?
hard to explain Mara's back story?
methinks harder plots have been negotiated successfully in sequels etc -- but they needed better writers of drama than GL.
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If I had the choice and the control, I'd go and trade Mara for Thrawn in TTT, I mean there was a great character who still gets name dropped after being dead for a very long time.
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Doesn't Legacy prove that you don't need explanations?
-We don't have an explanation on the IK's, yet we accept them. (Of course we want an explanation, but we don't need one.)
-Fel's - again we don't know how they're still around or even if they're related to the Fel we currently have.
Well, for these two, people tend to tie any possible explanation for them to Jag and whatever relationship he may or may not have with Jaina. So, if for no other reason than ending the shipping wars, then yeah, people probably do need an explanation to answer their questions.
-Cade - we know his father, but we don't know his father's father. We really wouldn't have needed a Kol part of the equation to accept him as a Skywalker.
I guess people just want to know which lucky girl Ben ends up with.
It all comes back to the romance issue, I'm afraid.
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