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Sinrebirth
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Everyone has their own twist on continuity to fit their world. Rather than a thread detailing what you've removed from canon, I was wondering what people have added by way of conjecture or outright reading it differently.
For example, in a discussion about Grand Admirals turning to Pellaeon;
GenAntilles posted:
...The Imperial fleet couldn't defeat the Rebel fleet for hours after the Death Star was destroyed. Only when Teshik finally was overwhelmed did Pellaeon rightly order the retreat. That is what the NEC states. My interpretation states that Teshik was cut off from the Imperial fleet, thus fighting by himself, but the Imperial fleet stayed until he fell. But that is only my interpretation. 
It's an interpretation. How have you interpreted events?
Myself, I've added several conjectures to canon. Some have no grounding in canon, others have extensive reasoning. Some are simply tangents into McEwokian fantasy or Ulicusian Vader Loving. Some of my own interpretations are liked, others, completely ignored.
1. Aurra Sing was the precursor to Plagueis' experiments that led to the Chosen One.
Aurra Sing. Her father was a 'ghost in the night', that was obviously not human. Her abilities are far beyond many of our most powerful Jedi. She duelled Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Sharad Hett, A'Sharad Hett, Aayla Secura, Dark Woman, Tholme and Jacen Solo. She killed many Jedi. More than Maul as far as we know.
But I simply don't accept she was a run of the mill fallen Jedi. She's too powerful, and too darn irritating a player to have survived duels with the greats. Darth Caedus. Darth Krayt. Darth Vader. They've all faced her in various guises. And she still has lived. Unbearable, unless she's something special. Deviant, indeed, but special. A failed experiment suits her well.
2. Emperor Palpatine escaped from the Netherworld of the Force and took over Dolph.
Okay. The man took two whole years coming up with a plot that brought the New Republic to the edge of destruction. He is often cited as nearly as powerful as the Emperor, and constantly commented upon as using strategies that are similar to Sidious' in every way. In his internal monologue, he himself comments on how he's been defeated 'again' by the heroes. Anyone heard of Keuller and the Big Three fighting? Thought not. He ravages the Jedi with nightmares, something very akin to what Sidious may have done to Anakin in Revenge of the Sith. And, with Keuller dying inside a Yslamiri bubble, it absolutely means Sidious is dead. Absolutely. There's no two ways around it, and no chance, however slim, Sidious can escape again and rage havoc upon canon.
3. Asajj Ventress was a de facto Sith apprentice.
Sith meditation techniques. Sith lightsabres. Dooku's premier acolyte. Can kill everyone in the Jedi Order below Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace and Yoda. Nearly killed Kit. I refuse to believe she didn't have some Sith in here. Sure, when she screams 'I am Sith' I can laugh at her, because she's had no Sith contact whatsoever, but after over two years, one has to wonder.
4. One NR Fleet = 5 battlegroups = ~ 1050 ships. Yeah, I'm stubborn, fleet junkies. 
5. Darth Krayt was the Tusken that nearly killed Vader in the Star Wars Manga.
Well catalogued, and was quite liked as a theory. It suits me quite well, and when Abel makes Tao canon, I'll be pleased to enshrine it in more canon. Who knows? Perhaps Hett tried to make himself into Darth Krayt, but could not until he met the Yuuzhan Vong, as alluded to in Legacy 17?
Any takers?
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EH_Pilot
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12/29/07 1:33pm
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Sure, I'll bite.
1. Emperor Palpatine has no parents.
The Light Side created Anakin, the Dark Side created Palpatine. An anti-Chosen One, if you will.
2. There was more than one Chosen One.
The whole "balance of the Force" thing is not permanent. Eventually, someone or something will come along to screw things up again. To restore things to normal, there needs to be a Chosen One. Revan was one, so was Lord Hoth, and so was Anakin Skywalker
3. Jacen Solo fell to the Dark Side at the end of The Unifying Force.
4. The Thrawn vs Palpatine Cold War
It's an old Brett_Bass theory. I liked it then, I still like it now.
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GenAntilles
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12/29/07 1:47pm
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I try to only trust cannon. With Teshik you have two sources.
Source 1: Teshik fought alone against the Rebel fleet
Source 2: Pelleaon ordered a retreat only after Teshik was defeated.
I put two and two together and figured that Teshik must have been cut off from the Imperial fleet, thus fighting alone. Pelleaon then retreated once Teshik was defeated.
When presented with two differing accounts of canon I always try to find some way they can coexist and both be correct.
But my conclusions are not cannon, just observations and conclusions.
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Battlehymn_Republic
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I heard an interpretation that Pellaeon ordered the retreat, but because a communications ship was destroyed, Teshik never heard the order, and continued on his own.
Anakin pulled Palpatine into Space-Hell
At the end of Dark Empire or ROTJ (take your best pick), the space ghost of Anakin Skywalker overcame Palpatine's spirit and pulled him into Chaos, thus truly fulfilling the destiny of the Chosen One. That makes the Palpatine clone in DEII and Empire's End (and DE1 as well if you prefer) a liar, madman, and an entirely different personality from the original Palpy. Or DEII and EE never happened, if you'd like.
Kir Kanos is currently guarding Imperial heir Ken
After some training in the Young Jedi Academy, Ken left to find his father Triclops. However, he was discovered by former Royal Guardsman Kir Kanos, who swore service to the boy as true heir to the Empire. He taught the boy what little he knew of the Dark Side, and their whereabouts are unknown.
Maarek Steele was brought down by Rookie One, Keyan Farlander, and Ace Azzameen
Because it took three LucasArts games heroes (one a Jedi!) to kill the legend.
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Battlehymn_Republic posted:
Maarek Steele was brought down by Rookie One, Keyan Farlander, and Ace Azzameen
Because it took three LucasArts games heroes (one a Jedi!) to kill the legend.
Other way round, you mean.
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There's nothing powerful about Sing. You have to ask yourself, preferably not in front of a mirror because you'd look kinda stupid, was she a brutal killer or were her targets utter wimps?
The answer is . . . wimps. They just stand there while she "unexpectedly" takes out a second saber. She kills a lot by throwing something at their face to distract. It's like the mages have never been outside a simspace room.
I did not like seeing her in Tempest. It was like nothing had changed in 70yrs. Truly a pity.
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Sinrebirth
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12/29/07 3:41pm
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EH_Pilot posted:
2. There was more than one Chosen One.
The whole "balance of the Force" thing is not permanent. Eventually, someone or something will come along to screw things up again. To restore things to normal, there needs to be a Chosen One. Revan was one, so was Lord Hoth, and so was Anakin Skywalker
I never considered that Hoth could be one. Curious. What about before Revan, though?
EH_Pilot posted:
4. The Thrawn vs Palpatine Cold War
It's an old Brett_Bass theory. I liked it then, I still like it now.
So do I, actually, considering how much Palpatine screwed around with the Empire after Endor.
Excellence posted:
I did not like seeing her in Tempest. It was like nothing had changed in 70yrs. Truly a pity.
Well, it could have been only a few people; Asajj Ventress, Aurra Sing, Tremayne or Blackhole. We're more or less out of evildoers in canon that aren't dead. But I do agree.
But it makes me happier with her if she's connected to the Chosen One prophecy for some reason. Makes her existence have more reason than as 'Pointless Twin Lightsaber Wielding Dark Nutter' which Asajj Ventress filled, bar the 'pointless' portion. They should have simply used Aurra Sing in Clone Wars....
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#1: The Chosen One prophecy refers to Anakin Skywalker's descendants as well as himself. Kinda the Chosen Line. Anakin brought the Force back into balance, and its up to his descendants to keep it in balance, even if some of them do go rogue every now and then (Vader, Caedus, Cade)
#2: Every member of the Chosen Line has the same Force potential as Anakin Skywalker. The Skywalker gene gives them all crazy levels of midichlorians, it doesn't dilute per generation (this may actually be canon given some of George Lucas' comments, but there seems to be debate on the subject)
#3: Revan is an ancient ancestor of Shmi Skywalker, in fact his reprogrammed identity when his memory was wiped is Sulrich Skywalker, and he gave the Skywalker name to his and Bastila's child. (Sorry thats the name I always use when playing KOTOR and I like how it fits almost mythically with the Chosen Line)
#4: The Fel Dynasty are part of the Chosen Line through Jaina Solo (This one could very likely become canon later on, but until it states otherwise I'm considering it true)
#5: The Force created Anakin, not Plagueis.... or at the very least if Plagueis did do it, he was being manipulated by the Force which acted through him.
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Nothing after VOTF really happened
Simple, really. What happened before is to be taken with a grain of salt, too.
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Sinrebirth posted:
Excellence posted:
I did not like seeing her in Tempest. It was like nothing had changed in 70yrs. Truly a pity.
Well, it could have been only a few people; Asajj Ventress, Aurra Sing, Tremayne or Blackhole. We're more or less out of evildoers in canon that aren't dead. But I do agree.
But it makes me happier with her if she's connected to the Chosen One prophecy for some reason. Makes her existence have more reason than as 'Pointless Twin Lightsaber Wielding Dark Nutter' which Asajj Ventress filled, bar the 'pointless' portion. They should have simply used Aurra Sing in Clone Wars....
Well, they did use Aurra during the Clone Wars. A couple of times. But there seemed to be a need for a cross-medium antagonist that wasn't an aging old man, and wasn't a dead Mando bounty hunter. I would have preferred Tann to have taken that role, but she's too interesting for the other cartels to have bitten.
Aurra's appearance in Tempest is horrible, though. It's a shameless PT tie, and it doesn't try to disguise that nature by any stretch of the imagination. I cringed when Aurra described seeing Anakin in the podrace. Especially considering that she fought the guy during the damn Clone Wars.
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Most of mine are theories which may yet be proven to be true, such as the Empire of the Hand merging with the Imperial Remnant and Krayt being in hibernation during Legacy, as well as my theory of what really happened when Thrawn died.
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My view of High Galactic is now canon, thanks to WotC.
My view of the separation of the Empire and the Remnant (along with the Second Empire) is now canon, thanks to Legacy.
Those are the only ones that come to mind at the moment. I don't particularly care for taking things away or fanon in general.
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The storyline of Star Wars Battlefront II's "Rise of the Empire" mode is actually a series of interviews with several clone/storm troopers, and not just one guy.
We know the 501st wasn't in all those places, and that the clonies didn't know that Order 66 was coming. Turning the campaign into a documentary on soldiers Geonosis to Hoth fixes that.
New Republic Star Destroyers were painted the same White/red color scheme as Old Republic
Confirmed in the form of the new Nebula-class Star Destroyer images from Starships of the Galaxy?
The Sith took Coruscant at least one before Palpatine
"Once more, the Sith shall rule the galaxy!" -Ep.III
Palpy also mentions looking forward to reclaiming Coruscant in the Essential Guide to the Force (though he could mean taking it back from the warlords or the NR). However, the quote from the RotS seems to point at the Sith running the show at some point, probably sometime during the New Sith War.
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1. Luke never completely fell to the Dark Side. He came kriffing close, but never made that final step where you have truly become an agent of evil. He was at the point where he would almost take that final step, but Leia managed to knock him out of his depression and gave him hope once again.
2. The Shroud of the Dark Side is why the film Jedi don't do the extreme feats of the EU. Mace's quote that "I think it's time we inform the Senate that our ability to use the Force has diminished." wasn't created to serve as an explanation for why the Force ability's of the film Jedi are typically of a more limited scope, but it makes a great one.
3. The Banite Sith are the only ones that cause the imbalance. It's an attempt to make it so Anakin still brought balance by "destroying the Sith." The only problem with this I can see is Palpatine's return, but he wasn't really operating by the Banite doctrine in Dark Empire, so it still works.
4. Anakin was created by the Force and Palpatine was created by Darth Plagueis. It explains why Palpatine was able to hold his own against the far older Yoda, makes it so the story about Plagueis was still technically true, and manages to maintain Anakin's origin from Episode 1.
5. Luke Skywalker's potential is equal to that of Anakin. There's a Lucas quote which says that Palpatine was interested in Luke because Vader was no longer able to become what he could have been while Luke still could. There's multiple ways to interpret it such as that Luke was able to become more powerful than Palpatine, but less powerful than Anakin could or that their potentials were exactly the same. I would also extend this potential to the rest of the Skywalker line as well.
6. Obi-Wan is still capable of appearing. He tells Luke that he can no longer appear simply so Luke never wonders why Ben has ceased to return. The real reason would be that Ben and Yoda want Luke to create the New Jedi Order solely based on what the Force tells him and realize that they might bring some of the old Jedi dogma to the new order. It explains why Luke hears Ben's voice in the NJO and why Anakin can still talk to Jacen in TUF as by that time the NJO is fairly well established.
7. Revan was a Skywalker. The fact that looking at him was like looking into the heart of the Force reminds me of some comments about Anakin.
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The Separatists continued to exist and attack the Empire post-Clone Wars.
Canonically, there already are known [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Confederate_Remnants]Separatist holdouts[/url]. However, what I'm thinking of is greater amounts, mostly in the Rim and fringes of the 'civilized,' known Galaxy. Though they had a whelk's chance in a supernova of doing anything to hurt the Empire, the Separatist forces (basically a lot of native militias that hated the Republic for political reasons, and were 'wet' organics as opposed to droids controlled by the fallen corporations) launched several hit-and-run attacks even while the Empire was starting up. This justified Palpatine's stringent security measures and continued militarization. They continued to exist even during the Rebellion days, and sometimes it wasn't unusual for Imperials to seize suspected seditionaries for "Separatist ties" as opposed to Rebel ties. But by after the Battle of Yavin most of them had been snuffed out or had joined the Rebel Alliance (but some remained aloof, knowing that the Alliance wanted to bring back a Republic), and occasionally their tech would fall into the hands of pirates and criminals (see Forces of Corruption). By the time of LOTF, the CIS remnants were basically all gone, even the scattered militias and tiny governments-in-exile. But some had moved to civilized space, you see, most distressingly to the Corellian system...
I think that this idea may not be contradictory to established canon, so I hope we get to see more of this, possibly in the upcoming 'rise of the Empire' TV show.
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