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RebelGrrl
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1/10 3:29pm
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RE: Legacy #23
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And just look at how flash Syn is!
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Jeff_Ferguson
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DancinBrud posted:
Also, it reminds me of the Goonies.
That's it! Thank you; I could not figure that out for the life of me.
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BobaMatt
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RE: Legacy #23
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Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
I'd be fine with further proof of the evil of Fel and his Knights.
What is this "further" you speak of?
Fel is a King, ergo, evil.
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Master_Starwalker
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RE: Legacy #23
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Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
I'd be fine with further proof of the evil of Fel and his Knights.
What is this "further" you speak of?
Largely because of his attempt to destroy the democratic Galactic Alliance and his alliance with the Sith.
BobaMatt posted:
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
I'd be fine with further proof of the evil of Fel and his Knights.
What is this "further" you speak of?
Fel is a King, ergo, evil.
Not quite, if it was I'd be stubbornly insisting that Tenel Ka was evil too. 
Edit: Of course, it's likely that I'm not inclined to give Fel the benefit of the doubt given that his government is descended from Palpatine's.
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BobaMatt
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1/10 8:28pm
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Master_Starwalker posted:
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
I'd be fine with further proof of the evil of Fel and his Knights.
What is this "further" you speak of?
Largely because of his attempt to destroy the democratic Galactic Alliance and his alliance with the Sith.
It wasn't his alliance - his hatred of the Sith is well documented - and as far as he knew the democratic Galactic Alliance had destroyed Imperial Worlds.
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Rouge77
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Where have you gotten the idea that Fel believed that GA had destroyed Imp held world prior to the Sith-Imperial War? When and how? I don't think I have seen this mentioned anywhere? 
Anyway, I hate this whitewashing of Fel. I don't think that one can have normal IQ, be the Emperor of a New Galactic Empire - heir to Palpatine's Empire and user of the symbols of that Empire - and a good man. Perhaps we will soon see halo around Fel's head? 
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Maximillian-Veers
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Why can't you? The Stars and Stripes are still respected, but as far as Native Americans a hundred & fifty years ago were concerned, they might as well have represented the Galactic Empire.
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In Mongolia, Genghis Khan and his successors, responsible for some of the biggest genocides of history, are still respected as national icons.
This does not make the government of Mongolia "evil".
When I hear Roan Fel publicly praise Palpatine, maybe I'll think differently, but for the moment the anti-Fel brigade seems to be under the impression "absolute monarch = EVIL!!!11".
Anyway, I hate this whitewashing of Fel
What whitewashing? Name these crimes of Fel's that we are whitewashing.
And I mean actual real crimes we've seen or been told about in Legacy. Not made up ones.
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BobaMatt
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Rouge77 posted:
Where have you gotten the idea that Fel believed that GA had destroyed Imp held world prior to the Sith-Imperial War? When and how? I don't think I have seen this mentioned anywhere?
If I'm not mistaken, the destruction of Imperial and other worlds by the Ossus Project angered much of the galaxy. The GA's staunch defense of the worlds' destroyers - the Yuuzhan Vong - was considered a breach of the Treaty of Anaxes and cause for war. If only I could find my Legacy #0.
Rouge77 posted:
Anyway, I hate this whitewashing of Fel. I don't think that one can have normal IQ, be the Emperor of a New Galactic Empire - heir to Palpatine's Empire and user of the symbols of that Empire - and a good man. Perhaps we will soon see halo around Fel's head?
He's not the heir to Palpatine's Empire. He starts a new Empire based on what was left of the old one.
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Rouge77
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Maximillian-Veers posted:
Why can't you? The Stars and Stripes are still respected, but as far as Native Americans a hundred & fifty years ago were concerned, they might as well have represented the Galactic Empire.
Yes, but that's because US never got soundly defeated by the native population, diminishing to a minor remnant state. And Palpatine's Empire was much worse, doing it's evil on a grand scale. It also got not only destroyed, but discredited and IR is just a small remnant of old guard Imps. They like stormtroopers and TIEs, but if the Fels would have wanted to show that theirs is not THE Empire, they would have get rid of both and wouldn't have called their Empire another Galactic Empire. They can't just cherry-pick parts of the heritage of Palpatine's Empire; it's either none of it or all of it. Either you are walking in Palps' footsteps or not and based on what we have seen so far, there's no reason for outsiders to think the latter to be the case.
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The only persons who Fel is an "heir" of is Fel I and Fel II.
The New Galactic Empire has no connection, constitutional or otherwise to Palpatine's. It uses a few superficial trappings of the long-dead government, but that is all.
It's like saying Putin is the "heir" to Josef Stalin, or Angela Merkel is the "heir" to Hitler.
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Rouge77 posted:
[quote=Maximillian-Veers]Why can't you? The Stars and Stripes are still respected, but as far as Native Americans a hundred & fifty years ago were concerned, they might as well have represented the Galactic Empire.
That makes no...wait...what?
You're aware the NR and GA use Star Destroyers and, occassionally, TIE fighters as well, right? They're ships. Hell, the workhorse of the New Imperial Navy is a ship called the Pellaeon-class. Pellaeon: friend of the GA, friend of Luke Skywalker, Vongclobberer.
Fel isn't ready to trash the whole culture. Basically, he's taken the good guys of the IR - that is, the people who have been working closely with the GA for decades, now - and used them to redeem the Empire, one that continues to work very closely with the GA.
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QuentinGeorge posted:
In Mongolia, Genghis Khan and his successors, responsible for some of the biggest genocides of history, are still respected as national icons.
This does not make the government of Mongolia "evil".
Because these things happened 700-800 years ago and because Mongolia is a poor and weak state, it just makes them misguided. If it would be politically strong and militarily powerful state, worship of Genghis Khan and his deeds would be frightening.
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What whitewashing? Name these crimes of Fel's that we are whitewashing.
And I mean actual real crimes we've seen or been told about in Legacy. Not made up ones.
Just read Legacy #13 again. Enough said. 
And what are these actual benevolent acts of Roan Fel that we have seen or been told about? Not just rhetoric about "Victory without war", but real acts of his?
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Rouge77 posted:
They can't just cherry-pick parts of the heritage of Palpatine's Empire; it's either none of it or all of it.
Why not? People have been cherry picking parts of Rome's history for centuries.
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BobaMatt posted:
If I'm not mistaken, the destruction of Imperial and other worlds by the Ossus Project angered much of the galaxy. The GA's staunch defense of the worlds' destroyers - the Yuuzhan Vong - was considered a breach of the Treaty of Anaxes and cause for war. If only I could find my Legacy #0.
As far as I known, all the worlds whose Vongforming was sabotaged by the Sith were member worlds of GA. I don't think that has ever been confirmed, just implied, though. It would be an interesting twist if GA and the Fel Empire would have been close enough and the Fel tyrants' relationship to the Jedi warm enough for worlds of the Fel Empire to be included in the project.
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