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Legacy #23: Loyalties
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Rouge77
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May '05
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1/10 10:21pm
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RE: Legacy #23
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It's odd that Fel didn't send someone absolutely loyal to him - an IK - on such a mission.
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Master_Starwalker
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1/10 10:23pm
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RE: Legacy #23
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It's odd, but if there's really only around 12 of them it would be understandable.
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Jedi-Sith
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1/10 10:24pm
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"Once, the Empire destroyed the Jedi Order. I will not permit it to do so again. The Jedi will withdraw from the Temple on Coruscant to the Academy on Ossus. It is my explicit order that they be allowed to do so." - Emperor Roan Fel
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Rouge77
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1/10 10:26pm
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All Jedi eggs in one Ossus-sized basket ready to be massacred.
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Master_Starwalker
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1/10 10:27pm
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Jedi-Sith posted:
"Once, the Empire destroyed the Jedi Order. I will not permit it to do so again. The Jedi will withdraw from the Temple on Coruscant to the Academy on Ossus. It is my explicit order that they be allowed to do so." - Emperor Roan Fel
I'll sulk away in shame for apparently having about a 1 second memory for dialogue.
Rouge77 posted:
All Jedi eggs in one Ossus-sized basket ready to be massacred.
Except they weren't all there.
Edit: It does make Fel seem like a less than capable Emperor though since he can't even control his Moffs.
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Rouge77
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1/10 10:28pm
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Imps were too hasty, if they would have waited, they would have gotten them all.
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Master_Starwalker
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Except that he had ordered them not to destroy the Jedi Order. It does show that Fel views his Empire as a successor to Palpatine's though.
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1/10 10:37pm
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Cartoony? I didn't see anything cartoony. It's a gunshot picture on a wall. Creative and new, and the staring can get away this time because there was a camera taking it.
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Jedi-Sith
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1/10 10:37pm
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ok then...
"The mission to Ossus was supposed to be a diplomatic one, to convince the Jedi to join the Empire. Fel gave direct orders the Jedi were not to be attacked." Moff Nyna Calixte
Fel had no intention of attacking the Jedi at Ossus.... unless of course you are claiming he's Palpatine-style manipulating the whole situation to get the Moffs to do it..... which sure is possible I guess but I see absolutely no evidence for it.
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Rouge77
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1/10 10:44pm
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Rather heavily armed and manned for a diplomatic mission... Not that Fel despot intended it to end it the way it did, he just gave the Sith and their Imp allies the perfect opportunity to massacre the Jedi. And so destroy the 120 years work of rebuilding the Jedi Order.
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Grand_Admiral_Sean8
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1/10 10:44pm
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Well, Fel is manipulative -- an aspect which makes him one of Legacy's most fascinating characters. Like any good politician, he's capable of acting totally despicable in order to accomplish a moral end.
But did he manipulate the Sith into destroying the Jedi? It seems doubtful at this point, I admit. Nevertheless, I'm sure Mister Ostrander has an ace or two up his sleeve.
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Master_Starwalker
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Date Posted:
1/10 10:48pm
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Grand_Admiral_Sean8 posted:
Well, Fel is manipulative -- an aspect which makes him one of Legacy's most fascinating characters. Like any good politician, he's capable of acting totally despicable in order to accomplish a moral end.
True, but then part of the point of Star Wars is that the ends don't always justify the means.
Grand_Admiral_Sean8 posted:
But did he manipulate the Sith into destroying the Jedi? It seems doubtful at this point, I admit. Nevertheless, I'm sure Mister Ostrander has an ace or two up his sleeve.
Even at my Fel hating worst(about 25 minutes ago  ) I didn't think he manipulated them into destroying the Jedi though. They're Sith. I thought he simply allied with them to achieve a common goal and then the Sith turned on him. Fel was the one tricked.
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Jedi-Sith
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Date Posted:
1/10 10:49pm
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Rouge77 posted:
Rather heavily armed and manned for a diplomatic mission... Not that Fel despot intended it to end it the way it did, he just gave the Sith and their Imp allies the perfect opportunity to massacre the Jedi. And so destroy the 120 years work of rebuilding the Jedi Order.
er... sorry if I'm wrong... but where does it say that Fel gave the orders about sending a full battallion to Ossus.... I don't the being heavily armed etc had anything to do with Fel.
Look all of this is conjecture of course, but what evidence we do have seems to definately imply that Fel planned to leave the Jedi alone on Ossus if they refused to join the Empire.
What I always thought with the diplomatic mission was he wanted the Jedi to join the Imperial Knights so that he'd have the forces to get the Sith out of his hair. Its well known he despises the Sith, and had worked out by the end of the war that the Jedi and Vong were framed by the Sith and the whole thing had been manipulated by them and Calixte.
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LtNOWIS
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1/10 11:23pm
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Yes, but that's because US never got soundly defeated by the native population, diminishing to a minor remnant state.
Wait, so you're saying the only reason people don't look down on the US is because we won?
A better example might be the Colonial European powers. They did a lot of bad stuff a 150 years ago too, but you don't hear anyone condemning present day nations for it. England honors its thousand+ year old monarchy despite the bad things it did in the past.
And, I'd like to point out that the Iron Cross is still an active military decoration for the Germans, and they still put the Iron Cross symbol on all their vehicles. It's a military symbol, not a political one.
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Maximillian-Veers
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1/10 11:31pm
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Rouge77 posted:
If one fantasizes about killing children, one is a disturbed individual, in need of treatment and potential threat to society. And, to some extent, evil. But nobody gets punished for such thoughts. It's the actions that matter. And some freak who fantasizes about killing children is not really all that evil when compared to one who actually kills children. Being a murderer and insane pervert are not equal evils.
How is it not equally evil? Obviously, one cannot find the one that did not act guilty of any crime, since there is no proof they would actually do so, but one which has the desire but not the means is obviously just as evil, a crime simply waiting for the right moment to be commited.
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In the past, but no longer. And even in those countries where there still is death penalty for war time espionage, there are trials. And if there are no trials, then the killing of captured, suspected spies without trial becomes a crime itself. Also, no current country in the world would hardly charge more than the leaders of the mission with the actual crimes when such a large number of people are involved.
Unfortunately, our modern world is suffering from a bit too much compassion. If you have enemies, and you are at war, you kill them. I can't really blame Fel for wiping out a bunch of individuals who were:
A) Traitors to the Empire for serving the Sith
B) Spies attempting to infiltrate the forces of the true Empire and aid an assassin in an attack on the Head of State
Prior to our modern democracies, Court was held by a Monarch or other appropriate noble. If Fel is Emperor, then his decree is enough to find them guilty.
Rouge77 posted:
Like I said, NR and GA used what they got. US used for few years captured, advanced German submarines in routine patrols after WW2 and also used V2:s in rocket studies. That didn't mean that in US these wouldn't have been seen as symbols of Nazi Germany and retired when they could be replaced with own equivalents of different designs. Same with NR and GA.
But it's not "what they've got" They are allies with the Imperial Remnant, and are using equipment which is either identical to Imperial equipment or inspired by and reminecent of Imperial equipment. The Galactic class Battle Carrier is described as appearing like a Imperial class Star Destroyer. An Aleph class fighter uses the same hull style as a TIE Fighter. How is this any different than a Pellaeon class Star Destroyer and a Predator Starfighter?
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