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TuskenTommy Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 1/12/08 3:26am Subject: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	I dunno if it's me just missing Anakin or they are so similar because of age & family etc. Ben needs a pic. Maybe a cover or something so i can paint that picture in my head when i read about him.. -Some differences between the two & some similarities. --Ben is more rugged,rough & tough then Anakin. Military! -Anakin is more force attuned/or Jedi. -Anakin seems to idol Luke. Where Ben seems annoyed. Dad? -Ben is messed up from Jacen,GAG, the military life in general. -Ben is the Son os freakin Sons son. wtf! I think it's time for him to learn a spec ial gift because he's Lukes 1st decendant. Similar to Cades healing etc..I just want more bad-@ssery. Ben also seems to not be as interested in the force. The force in general... -I sont wanna continue the compairing, but i tend to forget most of these when i read Legacy.. MAYBE it's because i just read the NJO. I finished the NJO when Betrayal was already released. Took me about a year.. So Anakin Solo is more fresh in my mind.... /confused
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StarscreamPrime Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 1/12/08 4:33am Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	My main issue with Ben, in comparison to Anakin Solo, is that unlike Anakin, Ben started off as annoying, and STAYED that way. Anakin was a bit of an nuisance, at least for most of "Vector Prime", but after that, up until his death, I was really starting to warm up to his character. Ben Skywalker irked me in the "Dark Nest" trilogy, struck me as incredibly ignorant for the first half of LOTF, and with the series winding down, I still can't bring myself to root for his character in the least. -----signature----- You Don't Want To Be A Nerd... Or, Heaven Forbid, A POINDEXTER. Do yourself a favor, and check out the Talon Intelligence Squad, already! You'll be happier that you did!
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Jek_Windu Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 1/12/08 5:12am Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	Anakin is far more rugged than Ben is- I sincerely doubt Ben could survive on a Yuuzhan Vong occupied world for two months, destroy an enemy experiment, resuce his lover, and manage to ferment the seeds of a rebellion. Ben has grown on me through LOTF- seems like a realistic portrayal of the son of a hero trying to find his own way. What I'm waiting for is for them to put out a succession of stand-alones focusing on Ben's adventures as a Jedi Knight. -----signature----- Tryanids: You don't have enough bullets! Imperial Guard: YES WE DO! R.I.P. Trini
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Tam_Elgrin Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/12/08 5:15am Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben? - Date Edited: 1/12/08 5:16am (1 edits total) Edited By: Tam_Elgrin
	Ben does have a cover (the recently released Fury), but it's disappointingly not ginger enough. Or at all, for that matter. -----signature----- hey, who turned out the lights?
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JaySkywalker01 Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 1/12/08 8:49am Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	Well, they're both conflicted and troubled by their place in the universe and their destiny. I remember in the Jedi Apprentice series, Anakin feared falling to the Dark Side above all, and worried that he would meet the destiny of his namesake. Ben has struggled with the Dark Side somewhat, but not to the same extent. Ben was also easier to manipulate than Anakin at his age. Ben blindly followed Jacen and the Guard's orders and never really questioned them until his ordeal on Ziost. I also don't think Ben is the prodigy Anakin was. He has some skills, but I remember Anakin's mechanical skills with the Force even as a young child. Ben has shown some aptitude for the military but I don't think he's ever accomplished anything impressive the Force, has he? -----signature----- Jay: "Ben Franklin said, speak softly and carry a big stick!" Carnage: Uhm, Ben Franklin was more like "Speak Loud, Get Wasted, and use his "Stick" on French Women." Oh yeah....
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 1/12/08 9:41am Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	Ben is a former member of the Jacen Youth. I don't think I could ever see Anakin Solo joining what amounts to COMPNOR. He's an awful, awful child.
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Thrawn McEwok Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/12/08 9:47am Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	"I'm not sneaky." - Anakin Solo, Ambush at Corellia I'm sneaky. - Ben Skywalker, Legacy of the Force: Betrayal Inasmuch as they're both promising teenage Jedi from the same lineage, there's a lot to compare in Ben and Uncle Anakin, I agree. However, there's also a lot to contrast. Ben has some of Mara's sharpness ("You're the Jedi Master, you figure it out." - Fury); more importantly, though, Jacen has been manipulating him from a young age, trying to get him to embrace his ruthless, pessimistic, highly ideological attitude to the way things are. That said, I think there might be an AWFUL LOT of underlying similarities between the two. I think a lot of the contrasts are to do with their differing upbringings. Anakin was raised with the shadow of Darth Vader and Palpatine; he saw his own internal capability for wrong in those terms. He's also Han's son, and Leia's, and he embodies a lot of their characteristics, and their position as Galactic heroes - and Luke Skywaker's - gives him positive role-models to assimilate and interpret, allowing him to act out his own - essentially similar - personality in their terms. His name, ultimately, made him think of himself in terms of comparison with Vader - the Vader of the OT, not the Anakin Skywalker of the Prequels. And he grew up in the optimistic Clinton-era of the Bantam run and JJK, which helped. Basically, Anakin Solo sees the Galaxy and himself in terms of the classic Star Wars of the OT. Ben Skywalker, on the other hand, grew up in the post-NJO; he didn't even know who Palpatine was until he was eight or nine, and his mentors/role-models were the real Luke, not the iconic hero, an over-protective, loving Mara, and the utterly ruthless Jacen. He's not got the clear sene of heroism that, regardless of Force-terminology or -sensitivity, Anakin Solo's generation was imbued with; nor does he have the metaphysical sense of place that Anakin did: instead of Yavin 4, the Millennium Falcon and an X-wing cockpit, he's been divided between the fake imperialness of rebuilt Coruscant and the over-designed faux-domesticity of Ossus. The ships he's spent his formative years aboard have been Jacen's sequence of anonymous transports, and he willingly followed Jacen into army barracks, age thirteen. He's also been raised in an era where knowledge of the Prequel-era, and the young Anakin Skywalker, has proliferated, importing a whole new series of - rather confusing - concepts about what it means to be a Jedi, a Skywalker, or descended from Darth Vader. Because of this, Ben feels dislocated - to himself, and to the reader. He doesn't have the right set of mental images and preconceptions about his background to interpret himself as a hero, his father's son or his uncle's eager imitator. Nor is this problem limited to him: Jacen's ruthlessness is a "shoot-first" Solo trait, warped and corrupted by ideology. Of course, Jacen's parallelism shows that this change isn't purely generaltional - he was like this as early as the Black Fleet Crisis novels - but I do think Ben's grown up in a time that is a more "Jacenish" one than Jacen's own wider-world ever was.... In short, Ben is a kid who needs someone to sit him down and show him the Star Wars trilogy. I was going to attribute a couple of Ben's important features to Jacen's raising/training of him - a cynicism about the Jedi Order defined by Luke, and a capacity for controlled ruthlessness; but then I realised that Anakin Solo had these, too. He'd just been born half-Corellian, and raised a whole one, and didn't have quite the issues with them that Ben's getting. - The Imperial Ewok -----signature----- A/T = OTP :===8[#]8===: Kyp/Jaina fans: stand up and be counted!
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KnightDawg Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 1/12/08 10:34am Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben? - Date Edited: 1/12/08 10:35am (1 edits total) Edited By: KnightDawg
	Anakin Solo was by far the worst character ever written in Star Wars. I rank him below Jar Jar Binks. There is ZERO originality with him as it was a poor attempt to bring back the Jedi version of Anakin Skywalker. Ben Skywalker on the other hand is growing (albet slowly...which is probably the proper method) on me. With proper development, the EU writers can do so much with him. I just wish Luke and Mara Jade had more than one boy because since the EU created Kol & Cade Skywalker.....we know Ben must live and that kinda kills some future drama in the books. -----signature----- Mmmm...the Spring Jawa Juice smells yummy
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 1/12/08 10:45am Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	KnightDawg posted: Anakin Solo was by far the worst character ever written in Star Wars. I rank him below Jar Jar Binks. There is ZERO originality with him as it was a poor attempt to bring back the Jedi version of Anakin Skywalker. Psst, Anakin Solo predates Jedi Anakin on the screen.
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KnightDawg Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 1/12/08 12:48pm Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	Charlemagne19 posted: KnightDawg posted: Anakin Solo was by far the worst character ever written in Star Wars. I rank him below Jar Jar Binks. There is ZERO originality with him as it was a poor attempt to bring back the Jedi version of Anakin Skywalker. Psst, Anakin Solo predates Jedi Anakin on the screen. Did you just type "Anakin Solo predates Anakin Skywalker"? -----signature----- Mmmm...the Spring Jawa Juice smells yummy
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 1/12/08 1:07pm Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	KnightDawg posted: Did you just type "Anakin Solo predates Anakin Skywalker"? Yes, because he does. Anakin Solo showed up in Dark Empire. Anakin Skywalker showed up in TPM. The CONCEPT of Anakin Skywalker is from ROTJ, but there's no Anakin Skywalker CHARACTER. Anakin Solo had his own Junior Jedi Knights novel series before the Prequels and was fairly well defined well before we knew what Anakin Skywalker was like as a person except in the broadest terms. So, how exactly is Anakin Solo supposed to imitate a character he predates?
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Earthknight Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 1/12/08 1:10pm Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	Unlike Anakin, Ben started out morally gray. He was like Noah Bennett. Started out on the wrong side thinking they were doing everything for the greater good. Later on, he found out the truth though. -----signature----- Master to jacensolofangirl2007 Our philosophy: We strive for a 100 in awesomeness. And if we get a 90, it's still cool. ~My Fanfiction Stories~ The Guardians of Light- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=259245
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KnightDawg Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 1/12/08 1:19pm Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben? - Date Edited: 1/12/08 1:21pm (2 edits total) Edited By: KnightDawg
	Charlemagne19 posted: KnightDawg posted: Did you just type "Anakin Solo predates Anakin Skywalker"? Yes, because he does. Anakin Solo showed up in Dark Empire. Anakin Skywalker showed up in TPM. The CONCEPT of Anakin Skywalker is from ROTJ, but there's no Anakin Skywalker CHARACTER. Anakin Solo had his own Junior Jedi Knights novel series before the Prequels and was fairly well defined well before we knew what Anakin Skywalker was like as a person except in the broadest terms. So, how exactly is Anakin Solo supposed to imitate a character he predates? Please tell me that isn't your evidence for this argument. The CONCEPT of Anakin Skywalker occured with the writing of the screenplay ANH. Are you trying to convice the world that George Lucas didn't know who he wanted Darth Vader to be until ROTJ...and the character Anakin Skywalker wasn't created until TPM? Look.....Anakin Solo may have been a great character for male fanboys that get that ackward "man crush" on heroes, but the fact is he lacked ZERO originality. Its basically the same as when Marvel Comics created Nate Grey as a younger "cooler" version of Cable in "X-Men" or when they created Ben Reilly to replace Peter Parker in "Spider-Man". George Lucas approved(ordered?) the death of Anakin Solo to prevent confusion between the two Anakins because of the obvious rip-off effect Anakin Solo creates. -----signature----- Mmmm...the Spring Jawa Juice smells yummy
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iamobiwan1970 Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 1/12/08 1:21pm Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	I've got to say that I really agree with Throawn McEwok. It's like Anakin and Ben have been raised in two very different eras adn that counts for much of their backgrounds. Plus Ben was mentored by an unstable, "grey" Jacen, and at the same age Anakin's mentors were his dad and mom, and his uncle Luke. -----signature----- Whatever tomorrow brings, I'll be there, with open arms and open eyes.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 1/12/08 1:31pm Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	The CONCEPT of Anakin Skywalker occured with the writing of the screenplay ANH. Are you trying to convice the world that George Lucas didn't know who he wanted Darth Vader to be until ROTJ...and the character Anakin Skywalker wasn't created until TPM? shock And Anakin Skywalker was a great pilot probably in his twenties and unlikely to have been a virgin birth. Look.....Anakin Solo may have been a great character for male fanboys that get that ackward "man crush" on heroes, but the fact is he lacked ZERO originality. Its basically the same as when Marvel Comics created Nate Grey as a younger "cooler" version of Cable in "X-Men" or when they created Ben Reilly to replace Peter Parker in "Spider-Man". Nate Grey is actually a much better character than Cabal, I've always believed and I enjoyed X-man much better than I ever enjoyed the many iterations of Cabal. I don't see what the two characters have in common though. Anakin Solo was a bookish, disturbed, and self-confident young man that eventually evolved into a happy go-lucky adventurer. Anakin Skywalker was a vague Great Jedi until we realized he was a awkward, whiny, dork that just happened to be good with a lightsaber.
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J_K_DART Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 1/12/08 4:03pm Subject: RE: Anyone else think of Anakin(solo) when they read about Ben?
	Anakin Solo was all about redemption, right from the start - the redemption of the name 'Anakin' was just the first part of it. He was heir to Luke's redeeming legacy more than Ben can be, imo. -----signature----- "Victory without risk is like a pizza without pepperoni." "I like my pizzas without pepperoni." "Sir master of the long post" - Excellence
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