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Namirsolo
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1/31 11:42am
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RE: The official Legacy of the Force: Revelation discussion thread (spoilers allowed)
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I don't know about you guys, but once a relative kills another relative, they've nixxed themself from my family. It would be bad enough if it was a stranger that they murdered, but another family member... Jacen can never be forgiven by the Big 3 once they know. This is too big.
Also, I liked it when the EU was written like a real family... the Solo children were just as important to Luke and Mara as an aunt and uncle would feel about their nieces and nephews. Now they're kind of dismissive of the link they have to them. I find that kind of odd. Well, not in Jacen's case since he's a homocidal maniac now.
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Lord_Boney
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Regardless of his actions, it would be wrong for Luke to be willing to do anything to return his father to the light, but not be willing to go to the same extent to save Jacen. Thats not what a Jedi should do.
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Master_Starwalker
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Which is why I'm expecting Luke to think he's not the man to take on Caedus.
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JEDI-SOLO
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It will probably feel to personal for him to do.
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Rouge77
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Unlike for Jaina. 
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Darth_Lex
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Rouge77 posted:
Unlike for Jaina.
Which is, no doubt, a deliberate story plotting decision by the authors. 
The "only" direct harm that Jacen has done to Jaina is get her court-martialed in Bloodlines.
For Luke and Ben, Jacen killed Mara and tortured (and tried to turn) Ben. Too much emotional pain for either of them to fight Jacen to the death.
For Han and Leia, Jacen issued an arrest warrant, tried to shoot down the Falcon with them aboard, killed the Noghri, tried to get the arrested at Mara's funeral... So Leia is likewise too emotionally invested.
Jaina has suffered too, but indirectly. Mara was her former master, not her spouse or parent. Jacen has tormented their parents across the galaxy, but not Jaina. Nor has Jacen personally, intentionally tried to kill Jaina - she's only been a "wrong place, wrong time" victim of his madness, not the direct target. (For example, she was aboard the Falcon in Tempest, but like Ben she would have been collateral damage in firing on Han and Leia. Similarly, she also was present at Ossus for the GAG ambush, but it wasn't targeted at her specifically, just the Jedi who happened to be there.) This makes her very different from Luke, Ben, and Leia - all of whom Jacen has actually, personally tried to kill.
Which is why Jaina is the only one who - unless things change in Revelation - can confront Jacen without having to ward off a deep, personal motivation of revenge.
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rhonderoo
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Karen likes and can write the Empire well. I'm thinking Ulicus might be on to something.
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Rouge77
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I wouldn't be surprised if Revelation would give Jaina more reasons to try to defeat Jacen. Like Zekk's death in Jacen's hands.
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SWFAN1977
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I kind of agree with Darth_Lex to the degree that whomever takes Jacen down, it would be better if it is someone that is less emotionally involved and can be coldly analytical about it. Ideally it would be someone that Jacen knows little about on a personal level so he can not use force manifestations of those closest to them as a distraction, and also someone who can be dispassionate about their planning of it. I think that is why the authors are sending Jaina to Fett because he fits the bill perfectly to train her. Now, if she can just control her emotional state while confronting him....
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ARC-77
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rhonderoo posted:
Karen likes and can write the Empire well. I'm thinking Ulicus might be on to something.
Isn't she a fan of Pellaeon, too?
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Thrawn McEwok
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Darth_Lex posted:
Rouge77 posted:
Unlike for Jaina.
Which is, no doubt, a deliberate story plotting decision by the authors.
Doesn't mean it'll work.  I think Jacen was supposed to be the hero by now....
Darth_Lex posted:
The "only" direct harm that Jacen has done to Jaina is get her court-martialed in Bloodlines.
For Luke and Ben, Jacen killed Mara and tortured (and tried to turn) Ben. Too much emotional pain for either of them to fight Jacen to the death.
For Han and Leia, Jacen issued an arrest warrant, tried to shoot down the Falcon with them aboard, killed the Noghri, tried to get the arrested at Mara's funeral... So Leia is likewise too emotionally invested.
Jaina has suffered too, but indirectly. Mara was her former master, not her spouse or parent. Jacen has tormented their parents across the galaxy, but not Jaina. Nor has Jacen personally, intentionally tried to kill Jaina - she's only been a "wrong place, wrong time" victim of his madness, not the direct target. (For example, she was aboard the Falcon in Tempest, but like Ben she would have been collateral damage in firing on Han and Leia. Similarly, she also was present at Ossus for the GAG ambush, but it wasn't targeted at her specifically, just the Jedi who happened to be there.) This makes her very different from Luke, Ben, and Leia - all of whom Jacen has actually, personally tried to kill.
Which is why Jaina is the only one who - unless things change in Revelation - can confront Jacen without having to ward off a deep, personal motivation of revenge.
Star by Star, Chapter 46. She blamed Jacen, rather than blaming herself. She might be right, too.
I don't think the Solo twins have ever had a real conversation since then. Just stilted cliches and arguments.
I'd ALSO argue that there's a fundamental flaw in assuming that high-volume emotional angst is automatically felt by those closest to the impact of an event. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this may be a MAJOR flaw in a lot of current Star Wars storytelling.
Sending Jaina to deal with the mess after what Jacen's done to the Solo/Skywalker family and the peace she fought for, is like sending one of your own anti-war campaigner to negotiate on behalf of the guys you're figting, or sending a left-wing politician to haggle for workers' rights.
Or like trusting her twin brother to guard peace and justice without losing his cool.
Challenges to ideals are much more likely to produce angst and irrational behaviour than direct, practical ones.
I think Luke, for example, is best read as stressing philosophically and about "his" Jedi Order, his intended heir, and the Alliance-led peace, rather than over Mara.
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Darth_Lex
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
I'd ALSO argue that there's a fundamental flaw in assuming that high-volume emotional angst is automatically felt by those closest to the impact of an event. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this may be a MAJOR flaw in a lot of current Star Wars storytelling.
And you'd be wrong.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that what we've been shown in the novels is that the emotions of Luke, Ben, and Leia about Jacen are much sharper, and much more raw, than the emotions Jaina is feeling. At the end of Inferno, Luke and Ben are literally murderous, and Leia agrees to the assassination of her son. Nothing in Fury changes that - Luke makes one move with the goal of killing Jacen (and calls it off when he senses Allana), still doubts Ben's ability to face Jacen without vengeance (but allows him along on a mission that's intended as a ruse), and Leia is the one who personally achieves the objective one purpose of which is to screw up Jacen emotionally (retrieving Allana).
Jaina, on the other hand, is content to track down and deal with Alema. And when it comes to the Allana rescue, Jaina is content to fly with the Rakehells and provide cover - she doesn't go anywhere near Jacen. At the end of Fury, she has a conversation with Jag about confronting (and possibly killing: "Jacen's next") Jacen, but that's about it. Compared to the others, Jaina is remarkably calm about Jacen. Which makes her the perfect Jedi to face him.
As for it being automatic, and a weak storytelling decision... You're entitled to your opinion. I think you're completely wrong. 
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Earthknight
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Maybe Boba is going to kill Caedus with a sabre dart. Imagine the fan uproar.
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leia7
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It seems like we've gone over almost every aspect of the story in other threads that without spoilers, we don't have that much left to discuss.
I just hope that Revelation will be something besides the stepping stone to Invincible, but my hopes are not that high.
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GenAntilles
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I'm a little worried about Boba. Killing the greatest bounty hunter may knock Caedus up on the villain scale and make him seem more of a threat, which he desperately needs. But we would lose Boba. 
Though if he really does die I hope he goes out in a blaze of glory. I can see it now. Boba is walking through the Anakin Solo, killing everyone in his path, gets to the bridge but is to weak to fight anymore. Caedus walks up and raises his saber. Boba looks and says. "At least it's not purple." Caedus then beheads him. Thats how Boba should go, the same as his father.
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