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s65horsey
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1/29 8:43am
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Jag was working with the Jedi, its the same thing.
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Rouge77
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Few will remember that when he, surrounded by Moffs, declares the foundation of the New Galactic Empire... 
But Captain Cardboard really killed Alema for the benefit of his family. Jagged was just free riding with the Jedi. Their help made it possible for him to track her down and kill her, but Jagged killing Alema isn't the same as if a Jedi would have done it. In a way, killing her that way, and using an outsider to do it, was a neat way of hiding "another dirty little Jedi secret", like Atton Rand would have said. 
Funny thing is, that by killing her, Captain Cardboard helped the One Sith - Alema couldn't tell about them to the Jedi - and thus played his part in creating the future, where his probable descendant Mohrgan got Darth Krayt's lightsaber through his belly. Alema would probably call it Balance.
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KissMeImARebel posted:
Based on the cover, I conclude that in the course of Revelation Jacen becomes a heroin addict and contracts Hepatitis from needle sharing. 
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Jag disabled Alema's last working arm so it would have been easier to catch and she nedn;t have been killed. Alema had not had every out-all that happened was Jaina asked her to surrender-When has that ever worked with anybody? And the way Alema was talked about throughout the series-by Leia, Jaina, Jag, Mara and a to a lesser extent Luke-they always planned to kill her. I can't believe Leia has no sympathy for her and doesn't realise that she is partly responsible for Alema's motives. Luke did want her redeemed until he thought she killed Mara. I hope he gets the Lumiya-grief when he finds out differently and actually realises that he's failed a student again.
If only everyone listened to Ben but I can see a frustrating book coming along where no one will.
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JEDI-SOLO
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Yep the whole book will more than likely be Ben finding clues and then him finding the truth out on the last page. BAM 3 more months to wait after that.
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Rouge77 posted:
s65horsey posted:
Allston made it very clear that the Jedi had given Alema every out. They killed her as a last resort, not a first one. So that's a bogus statement. The Jedi will afford Jacen the same response. He'll be given outs, he already has been given outs and he chooses to stay on the path that he is on. He's choosing Sith. So if he continues to do that he'll be killed. Redemption is a choice, not a force.
That, sadly, isn't true. People who have fallen to the Dark Side or are under it's influence are not sane. They are not capable of understanding their situation clearly, to realize when they have lost and when surrendering is the only option. Raynar Thul didn't surrender, he continued to try to fight even when Luke had clearly defeated him. Yet Luke didn't kill him, even when Raynar didn't surrender when given the chance. Darksiders don't surrender, the Dark Side makes them see the demand to surrender just as a threat, not as an offer to spare their life. Giving them the chance to surrender is just charade, because you know that they won't accept your offer. If you want to take them alive, you have to defeat them and incapacitate them.
And the Jedi didn't kill Alema. 
No.
Are you trying to say that people who chose the Darkside are insane? How so?
They chose the dark path. And yes...redemption is a choice. Thats like getting off drugs. You have to want to.
Anakin chose it because he felt that was his best option. Not because he was crazy. Luke didn't force Anakin to be redeemed...Anakin had to make that choice.He could have just stood by and let Palps toast him.
From what I've seen a lot of characters chose the Darkside out of lust for power
Chosing not to surrender even when you've lost,does not make you insane. Somtimes the person has so much animosity, hate if you will, that surrender is no potion. That or they distrust the person so much that they feel surrender is not an option.
Athletes even say that losing or defeat if you will is not an option. So what, are they insane when they see they are losing, but keep trying?
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Rouge77
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I'm not really eager to take this conversation farther on my part in light of my recent experiences with off-topic conversation, but Dark Side makes people act irrationally. And when people continue to struggle, without giving up, even when not doing so will lead to their deaths, yes then they are more orless insane. An athlete that continues to struggle even when there is little hope of winning is just being stubborn. If (s)he endangers her or his health, then the athlete in question is at least acting irrationally.
Anakin Skywalker didn't choose redemption, he chose to save his son. And in that act he found redemption. Totally different circumstances than those that Alema faced in Fury. Let's see what happens with Jacen.
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Alema is really a compelling (not as written) as she faced a lot of hardship and fell into the hive and never recovered like others...A real tragedy. Luke will do the same he did for here and try to save Jacen from Jaina,
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What is Tahiri going to do in this book?
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Earthknight posted:
What is Tahiri going to do in this book?
Get with Bem. Duh. 
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^You mean, Ben. And I think it's too soon for her to hook up with Ben. Maybe see some early development but that's all. And I want Ben to turn Tahiri to the light and get her to quit this flow walk addiction.
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Earthknight posted:
Rouge77 posted:
From: http://www.take2.co.za/product.php?id=3187179
With all efforts to end Sith Lord Jacen Solo's tyranny of the Galactic Alliance doomed to failure, his sister Jaina risks everything to track him down, while Ben Skywalker, haunted by the dark suspicion that Jacen had killed his mother, searches for the truth, and Luke contemplates once unthinkable tactics to bring his nephew down.
Oh boy . Ladies and gentlemen, here is Karen's take on Luke Skywalker:
“There’s a hole in the world like a great black pit – and it's filled with people who are filled with s*** - and the vermin of the world inhabit it – and its morals aren’t worth what a pig would spit – and it goes by the name of Coruscant.”
Karen, you're great. You're superbe. You write Fett really, REALLY well( in fact, I want her to write a Boba Fett series) But writing Luke and Jedi....is not something you are good at.
man....everyone here needs to grow a little backbone!!
if Jacen does turn out to be as powerful as they claimed earlier in the series, they might need Luke to go a little 'over the top' to bring him down.
i find it laughable how hard you all fight for the Jedi's morality! it's cute...and kind of annoying... 
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Earthknight posted:
DS_Emp_Viper posted:
Earthknight posted:
Well there is something that hasn't been done. Jaina beats Caedus but doesn't kill him. Caedus is pissed off and goes off ranting that he can't lose because he's right and invincible. So he tries to flow walk but Jaina grabs on to him and they struggle in the space time continuum. Jaina wins the struggle and goes rocketing through the continuum and back to the regular time period. Caedus starts screaming and ends up trapped inside the space time continuum.
Wow thats a lot of Jaina winning, did she eat a superpowered mushroom between Fury and Invincible?
Well when I mean she wins the struggle it's more like Jacen has his arms tightly around her and she finds away to break free from his grasp.
So why would he be trapped again? Considering he's the one who knows how to actually flow walk....
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Ulicus posted:
Earthknight posted:
What is Tahiri going to do in this book?
Get with Bem. Duh.
arrgghhh....When will this Ben/Tahiri insanity STOP! I mean  Please for the love of Kyle let it go!
But enough of that....dang nabbit who's got some spoliers?!? C'mon I know there out there....
*tightens tourniqet and patiently waits for spoiler-hit*
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At this point, I'm personally frustrated that none of the main three have really figured out that Jacen is completely dark or that he killed Mara. I mean, they know that he did other equally horrible things. In fact, they know that he did one thing (killing Boba Fett's daughter brutally comes to mind) far worse than killing Mara. At least Mara fought back. The other woman was restrained and helpless. It's starting to stretch my suspension of disbelief.
Also, I just want to say that having been reading SW books about the Solo children for a good 15 years now (at least I think it's close to that) I am disappointed with how their roles have turned out. No, I'm not talking about Ben dying or Jacen going dark. What I mean is, Jaina's power level was always on par with her brothers. Although Anakin was hyped as being the strongest of the three, all of the children have always been capable in the Force and in combat. Recently, though, it has been decided that Jacen is lightyears more powerful than Jaina (and this was even before his 5 years of traveling around the galaxy to study). Jaina is sidelined and boring now. In this series, she's even lost her niche that she was given as a Solo child. She was always the best pilot out of the three, but now even Jacen (who was previously worse than Anakin) is now better than her.
I liked the Jaina that was just as strong as her brothers and a confident young woman who fought valiantly. Now, suddenly in LOtF we have a directionless (until Fury) nearly middle-aged woman who is now somehow sidelined while being overshadowed by her brother.
Maybe I have a personal attachment to this because I am personally a woman, but I would love to see a return to the strong Jaina instead of the one who has been sitting around rotting as a character since the NJO.
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