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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 2/18/08 8:14pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	[quote=GrandAdmiralJello] Not exactly. The Emperor gave him permission to use it, but he did not authorize the destruction of Alderaan in particular. The RD is not retconned. [quote] So, I don't have the Death Star novel but also don't really feel its needed. We know what Palpatine is about, its not a secret, its not a mystery. We have all lived the story for most of our lives. Those who opposed him were eliminated, in Alderaan's case two billion lives were spent just to help enforce the Tarkin Doctrine. Palpatine approved construction of the Death Star, approved use of the Death Star. He liked his Death Star so much that he built another to hopefully have the chance to see more worlds destroyed. Palpatine even ordered Jerjerrod to fire the second Death Star on Endor in the RotJ novel, but thats neither here nor there. Palpatine is a wonderful villian, prehaps the best ever in a movie. I find him very entertaining and he is one of my favorite characters. The lives of anyone did not matter to the man. He was solely responsible for the fall of the Old Republic, the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War. The prequels were quite clear about this. His plan was brilliant, genius really, but also evil and wrong. He used the law to put himself in power the same way you are now using it to defend him. Palpatine is more responsible than anyone for what happened to Alderaan, in fact he thrived on it. "Is that legal?" "I will make it legal." -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you? . http://www.cccomiccon.com http://www.actionfigurenews.ca
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GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 2/18/08 8:45pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	If HIM the Emperor was one thing, it would be 'not stupid.' If you enjoy the character to the extent you claim to, how can you possibly believe he would be so sloppy as to wish a Core world destroyed like that? -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/18/08 8:48pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	GrandAdmiralJello posted: If HIM the Emperor was one thing, it would be 'not stupid.' If you enjoy the character to the extent you claim to, how can you possibly believe he would be so sloppy as to wish a Core world destroyed like that? Because... A. The Emperor wants to terrify the Core Worlds into submission so they don't get complacent. B. He's from the Outer Rim.
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 2/18/08 8:51pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	Yeah, by this time he's solidified his power enough that he doesn't have to care about public opinion. I don't think he would have ordered Alderaan destroyed - a strategic bedazzling would be nicer - but I'm not convinced he lost sleep over it. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 2/18/08 9:06pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	Charlemagne19 posted: B. He's from the Outer Rim. Mid Rim, actually. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/18/08 9:44pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	BobaMatt posted: Yeah, by this time he's solidified his power enough that he doesn't have to care about public opinion. I don't think he would have ordered Alderaan destroyed - a strategic bedazzling would be nicer - but I'm not convinced he lost sleep over it. Palpatine believes in ruling by fear. He invaded Raaltir as well, let's not forget. The Core he doesn't want to SCARE into REBELLING but he thinks a healthy amount of awareness they're not immune to retribution is a good idea. Napoleon made sure that all classes knew he'd deal with them.
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LtNOWIS Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 2/19/08 12:21am Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	Rouge77 posted: Genocides and lesser massacres, destruction of local cultures, many millions of enslaved people through the Roman Empire's existence. It was evil. This doesn't really distinguish it from a lot of groups at that time. Modern conceptions of human rights didn't exist back then. -----signature----- A little bit about me: http://tinyurl.com/bnmcck
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/19/08 12:39am Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	LtNOWIS posted: Rouge77 posted: Genocides and lesser massacres, destruction of local cultures, many millions of enslaved people through the Roman Empire's existence. It was evil. This doesn't really distinguish it from a lot of groups at that time. Modern conceptions of human rights didn't exist back then. Yes. But it also tends to preclude any real claim of moral superiority either. The Romans succeeded because they were the most efficient kriffers on the planet at what they did. They weren't the meanest, there's a lot worse, and they rewarded their citizens lavishly. But it was a state built on the backs of others and brutally so.
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GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 2/20/08 9:47am Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	No, it was a state that allowed all others to participate. If you look at the nature of the world at that time, everyone participated in genocides and enslavement. The Romans were, by far, the kindest about it all. Nobody else allowed a defeated and conquered enemy to participate fully in the system and gain the fruits of civilization. And what's this nonsense about destroying cultures? The Roman Empire was probably the most culturally and religiously tolerant multinational entity that ever existed. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
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QuentinGeorge Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 2/20/08 11:50am Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	Destroying cultures? If anything, it was the other way around. The Romans were particularly enamored of various aspects of foreign cultures, particularly Greek and Egyptian. -----signature----- Yar
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/20/08 1:27pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	Except for Carthageans. Or the Britons. Or the Jews.
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Rouge77 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 2/20/08 1:45pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good? - Date Edited: 2/20/08 1:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rouge77
	Or the Greeks (the destruction of Corinth in 146 BCE - the city was destroyed, all men killed and women and children enslaved) and the towns of Epirus in 167 BCE and enslavement of their entire populations) and the Gauls (Caesar killing half of the population of Gaul in the 50's BCE). -----signature----- Recipient of the Confederation Ewok with "Rebel Yub"® Action!! Kill Ben Skywalker, the new Jar-Jar!
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/20/08 2:16pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	I don't forward some view that Rome was a monster or that no comparison of morality should be taken between modern ethics and the ethics prevalent at the time. Many of the concepts forwarded for Roman Citizens were progressive and the foundation for the modern era's concept of good and evil. However, plenty of other nations were terrified of Rome's brutality and militarism and with good reason.
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GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 2/20/08 6:10pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	C19: Punic culture survived long after the fall of Carthage. The only thing that was destroyed was the city, and that was due to Cato Censor's stubbornness more than anything else. Most principled Romans agreed that the act was illegal and downright immoral. Since when was Jewish or British culture destroyed? The Britons willingly Romanized and urbanized, and the Jews were granted special exemptions all the time. They were a protected group, despite all of their numerous rebellions and the like. R77: Do you remember why Corinth was flattened? Again, you're missing the point. The complete destruction of a society was commonplace back then. But under Roman policy, that act was the exception where the rule was peaceful integration so long as the populace behaved themselves. Under most cases, you died either way. The Romans gave you an option. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
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Quiet_Mandalorian Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 2/20/08 8:11pm Subject: RE: Romancing the Empire--- Will the Empire remain Evil or Turn Good?
	Senatus Populus Que Romanus, baby. -----signature----- Fey'la was right! Bring Asyr Sei'lar to justice!
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