Quiet_Mandalorian posted:Jedi Ben posted:I love Palpatine's Empire for the fact that it is evil, yet has that seductive alluring side that an excellent adversary requires.Fixed.
Jedi Ben posted:I love Palpatine's Empire for the fact that it is evil, yet has that seductive alluring side that an excellent adversary requires.
Rouge77 posted:Except that Gilad Pellaeon is not a former political prisoner of the Empire, but a high-ranking officer of it who has the backing of the surviving Imperial elite.
Charlemagne19 posted:Pellaeon is also a former slaver and waged a 20 year war against the Republic on the dubious pretext of protecting a government that the galaxy had grown to hate.
Jedi Ben posted:No. I said the Empire and I meant the Empire, not any particular variant.
Charlemagne19 posted:Rouge77 posted:Except that Gilad Pellaeon is not a former political prisoner of the Empire, but a high-ranking officer of it who has the backing of the surviving Imperial elite. He's more like Krushchev, at best Gorbachev; wants to change few things he doesn't like but mostly just so that the system can go on surviving, not because he is a nice guy. Pellaeon is also a former slaver and waged a 20 year war against the Republic on the dubious pretext of protecting a government that the galaxy had grown to hate. Pellaeon did many good things in his life but he also fought to the bitter end and obeyed orders until the point he was in charge.
Rouge77 posted:Except that Gilad Pellaeon is not a former political prisoner of the Empire, but a high-ranking officer of it who has the backing of the surviving Imperial elite. He's more like Krushchev, at best Gorbachev; wants to change few things he doesn't like but mostly just so that the system can go on surviving, not because he is a nice guy.
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:Jedi Ben posted:No. I said the Empire and I meant the Empire, not any particular variant.Hence my correction.
Jedi Ben posted:And the vague point you're alluding to is?
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:Jedi Ben posted:And the vague point you're alluding to is?The evil of Palpatine's Empire was to a great degree dependant upon a Sith being Emperor. Not having that particular distinction, the Imperial Remnant under Pellaeon and the new Empire under the Fels are not really much different than the the various iterations of the Republic as far as malevolence goes. Besides, it's a matter of authorial that the Fel Empire is benevolent.
Jedi Ben posted:The Empire is still, and always going to be, a system that says individuals belong to the state to do with as it wishes. That's evil any which way you slice it.
Jedi Ben posted:Now you could say everyone voluntarily works for the Empire, submitting their own will to the greater good so freely becoming cogs in the system. But have we seen anyone being allowed to leave or is it a one-way ticket?
Havac posted:You can't say, "Well, it has the same name as Palpatine's Empire, so it's the exact same system" and project all that onto an Empire hundreds of years later. Shall I project the positions of Britain in 1870 onto it now? Shall I project its governmental relations onto it now? I mean, it was the same system, right? Prime minister and everything.
Jedi Ben posted:[quote=Havac]You can't say, "Well, it has the same name as Palpatine's Empire, so it's the exact same system" and project all that onto an Empire hundreds of years later. Shall I project the positions of Britain in 1870 onto it now? Shall I project its governmental relations onto it now? I mean, it was the same system, right? Prime minister and everything.