Author Topic: Dark Times #11: Vector, part 5 (of 12) (1 of 2)
Vrook_Lamar  984 posts
Registered: May '08
6210_Max Rebo
Date Posted: 5/31/08 2:57am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
Part of me is betting that Cade will meet the Talisman but not Celeste and that Celeste won't be in the Oubilette in between meeting Vader and Luke, but maybe that's just wishful thinking that they don't end every sub-arc with her being stuffed in the same box.

Maybe to mix it up, see gets put in carbonite this time round.

 

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Manisphere  2928 posts
Registered: Aug '07
44127_Darth Krayt
Date Posted: 5/31/08 6:45am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
The2ndQuest posted:
Manisphere posted:
They are. Dark times is done as of #12 and Rebellion is on hiatus as of #16


Dark Times is going on hiatus also, not concluding, if that's what you're implying.


I'm talking hiatus, Quest. peace

 

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Zorrixor  4355 posts
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42757_Prince Xizor
Date Posted: 5/31/08 7:31am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5) - Date Edited: 5/31/08 7:32am (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
Vrook_Lamar posted:
Part of me is betting that Cade will meet the Talisman but not Celeste and that Celeste won't be in the Oubilette in between meeting Vader and Luke, but maybe that's just wishful thinking that they don't end every sub-arc with her being stuffed in the same box.

Maybe to mix it up, see gets put in carbonite this time round.

Will she even be able to go back in the oubilette? It seemed like Vader basically trashed it.

I like the idea of being frozen in carbonite though to mix things up a bit.

 

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The2ndQuest  40217 posts
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 8:48am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
Yeah, Vader trashed the lid to get her out, don't think it'll work again.

Manisphere posted:
The2ndQuest posted:
Manisphere posted:
They are. Dark times is done as of #12 and Rebellion is on hiatus as of #16


Dark Times is going on hiatus also, not concluding, if that's what you're implying.


I'm talking hiatus, Quest. peace


Just checking happy

 

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SithStarSlayer  8653 posts
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 9:27am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
Zorrixor posted:
Vrook_Lamar posted:
Part of me is betting that Cade will meet the Talisman but not Celeste and that Celeste won't be in the Oubilette in between meeting Vader and Luke, but maybe that's just wishful thinking that they don't end every sub-arc with her being stuffed in the same box.

Maybe to mix it up, see gets put in carbonite this time round.

Will she even be able to go back in the oubilette? It seemed like Vader basically trashed it.

I like the idea of being frozen in carbonite though to mix things up a bit.

I like the idea of Vader cutting her down, and then having to deal with the Talisman.

 

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MistrX  1542 posts
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 10:00am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
QuinineVos posted:
Does it strike anybody else as odd that in the hundreds of years that the oubliette has been fought over, nobody else has yet managed to open it?


Yeah, I thought that it was because it was difficult or complicated. Then Vader did it in about two seconds flat with his lightsaber, so I don't know.

I really liked the art in this one. Kudos to the artist.

I did not know that Ko Vakier's mouth flaps opened like that. Interesting.

 

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Zorrixor  4355 posts
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42757_Prince Xizor
Date Posted: 5/31/08 10:11am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
MistrX posted:
QuinineVos posted:
Does it strike anybody else as odd that in the hundreds of years that the oubliette has been fought over, nobody else has yet managed to open it?


Yeah, I thought that it was because it was difficult or complicated. Then Vader did it in about two seconds flat with his lightsaber, so I don't know.

I really liked the art in this one. Kudos to the artist.

I did not know that Ko Vakier's mouth flaps opened like that. Interesting.

I assumed it could only be opened by a Force-sensitive and that since it had been kept hidden from the Jedi nobody had ever managed to open it. A little convenient, but I didn't mind.

 

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Rouge77  7462 posts
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 10:41am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
Or it might just have been an intended case of Vader imitating Alexander the Great, the oubliette being his Gordion's knot.

 

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QuinineVos  640 posts
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 10:45am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
PointGiven posted:
Vader struck me as somewhat sypathetic to Celeste at first, saying he didn't want to hurt her and holding her when she was distressed. Of course he tried to turn her to the dark side


My interpretation of this was not that he was being tender with her out of sympathy, but rather to attempt to manipulate her into relinquishing the talisman to him voluntarily. He doesn't know anything about how it bonds with the host, and he is probably concerned that he may inadvertently harm the relic if he just kills her.

 

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Jedi Ben  9353 posts
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 11:00am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
Excellence posted:

Alas, no, Jedi Ben. Not yet.


Pity, you'll love it when you get it though. Oh yeah, don't forget Night Of Knives either.

 

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Nobody145  2171 posts
Registered: Feb '07
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 7:19pm Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
I'm not sure if Vader's trying to be gentle with her or whether he's just being cautious. This is still relatively soon after Anakin became Vader, so Vader's still a bit new to the evil overlord thing. He's got the torturing thing down, with what we saw of poor Janks, but also, Vader has probably already begun to search for someone to help him overthrow Palpatine, as we later see with Luke (and of course the all-powerful Secret Apprentice rolling_eyes ). Someone like Celeste might fit that profile. A bit of a kindred spirit kind of thing. Although not sure how subtle Vader could ever be. He could plot, sure, but in person, he'd just as soon choke somebody as negotiate with them. He has the political and physical and Force power to have his way whether anybody else agrees or not.

Anyway, not sure if the Oubilette really is that hard to open, or that everybody else was so busy trying to kill each other over it, nobody ever took a jackhammer (or whatever the GFFA equivalent is) to it and tried to open it that way. And collectors would probably like it in the best shape possible too. Although if Celeste can't go back into the Oubilette, living through the next century should be pretty easy with a mystical evil Sith Talisman involved, it could probably stop her aging or whatever. Though it would probably involving stranding her on some planet until Rebellion's timeframe.

 

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The_Four_Dot_Elipsis  2388 posts
Registered: Mar '05
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 10:01pm Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
Nobody145 posted:
I'm not sure if Vader's trying to be gentle with her or whether he's just being cautious. This is still relatively soon after Anakin became Vader, so Vader's still a bit new to the evil overlord thing. He's got the torturing thing down, with what we saw of poor Janks, but also, Vader has probably already begun to search for someone to help him overthrow Palpatine, as we later see with Luke (and of course the all-powerful Secret Apprentice rolling_eyes ). Someone like Celeste might fit that profile. A bit of a kindred spirit kind of thing. Although not sure how subtle Vader could ever be. He could plot, sure, but in person, he'd just as soon choke somebody as negotiate with them. He has the political and physical and Force power to have his way whether anybody else agrees or not.


You should read some Marvel. Archie Goodwin's Vader is a manipulative scumbag that emotionally and psychologically destroys people.

 

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Cull_Tremayne  304 posts
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 5/31/08 11:59pm Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
I'm pretty sure that Vader didn't destroy the Oubliette. He destroyed the metal case that the crew was carrying the oubliette in. The oubliette isn't gray after all, and what Vader destroyed sure didn't look like the rounded black ebony of the oubliette. Also, look at Peturri after Vader attacks the case, he tells Vader not to open it, so obviously he hasn't opened it when he struck it with his lightsaber. The very next scene we get a sound effect, a "Ch-Chik", which is obviously the oubliette opening. If you remember from the first glance at the oubliette, it opened vertically, and if you look closely, that's all that's happened, the oubliette opened vertically once again.

So, in short, I see no reason why Celeste couldn't go back inside the oubliette, since Vader doesn't seem to have opened it with his lightsaber in any way. I'm guessing that he used the Force to unhinge the thing. Either that or it sensed his "Sithiness", and opened in his presence.

 

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Carnage04  4916 posts
Registered: Mar '05
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Date Posted: 6/1/08 12:17am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)


I see some possibilities for Vader reacting favorably to her at the start.....

1. Utter and complete shock. Vader/Anakin has seen a lot and done a lot...but someone locked in a box for 4,000 years is beyond unreal. He may not know HOW to react.

2. He feels a lot of darkness in her immediately and considers that he may be able to take her as an apprentice or learn some ancient secrets from her. The darkness he feels is actually Murr and not Celeste....at the onset.

3. Uncertainty as far as how killing the "Host" will affect the Talisman.

4. Uncertainty as far as what she can do with having the Talisman bonded to her. No doubt Vader wouldn't fear a lone Jedi of the Old Republic.....he may fear a Jedi with a (Apparently very powerful) Sith weapon.

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 6/1/08 12:30am Subject: RE: Dark Times #11: Vector (Part 5)
I liked the issue a lot, though I frowned at Celeste being able to throw Vader across the room. She's being jacked up by Muur, I suppose... but I sure hope Vader beats the pair of them around like kath-hounds next issue.

 

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