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Hendo255 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 6/19 10:09am Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Hmm not sure but it wouldn't surprise me if it was. Not counting the update that will come today they do have 24 pages so it's like we've read a complete comic book by now -----signature----- Zayne is the Sith Emperor. Both use the Force, both lived around the same time and Zayne is friends with Gryph who is a notorious con-artist. See! it all fits together perfectly!
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 6/19 2:38pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Hmm... still no update yet. Shouldn't today be the next comic issue? Last week we got the Smuggler stuff, that should mean this week falls on the biweekly comic slot... Maybe they're just late.
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 6/19 4:31pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Yeah, this week's installment is up. I still have no idea what the hell is going on. -----signature----- RIP Jacen's Crotch 1991 - 2008
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 6/19 5:08pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Whew. I thought it was just me. -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 6/19 6:13pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	This is, full-stop, the worst-written comic I have ever seen. It makes no sense at all. The format's not helping it, but it's not the format's fault. It could be far less disjointed than it is. But it's not. It's like someone took a full comic, cut out each page, then took a third of the pages at random and put them up. It's a complete, thoroughgoing failure on the part of the writer to put any kind of context, any kind of narrative cohesion, any kind of logic, any kind of intelligibility or accessibility, in the story. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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Xicer Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 6/19 6:16pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Hm, so this is supposed to be the last bit of act. Anyone wanna go and read the whole the comic all the way through and see if it makes more sense? I'm not really that motivated to... -----signature----- "Just before your arrival, Moneo and I were discussing Infinity." "Poor Moneo." --Leto II and Malky, "God Emperor of Dune"
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 6/19 7:15pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	I did about an hour ago and no, it makes no more sense. It's like I get some kind of idea what might be going on but I could be wrong. It's very much like Havac described. It's more of a collage of panels and pages rather than one linear panel to panel story. I thought I was just unsophisticated with both gaming, this era, and comics in general but, no, the comic kind of presumes we're already really familiar with what's going on. At least that's the feeling I get. It's like this comic has been going on for years already so it can't really be accessed at anytime because of the establishing failure. Or failure to establish this era, it's characters, etc... -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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Rogue_Follower Title: Manager: • Lit Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 6/19 7:27pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Havac posted: This is, full-stop, the worst-written comic I have ever seen. It makes no sense at all. The format's not helping it, but it's not the format's fault. It could be far less disjointed than it is. But it's not. It's like someone took a full comic, cut out each page, then took a third of the pages at random and put them up. It's a complete, thoroughgoing failure on the part of the writer to put any kind of context, any kind of narrative cohesion, any kind of logic, any kind of intelligibility or accessibility, in the story. We jump around and see some stuff that's (presumably) going to be in the game, but it fractured, disjointed, incoherent. There are too many random subplots that are entirely unnecessary and unrelated to the "main plot", with two-dimensional characters that the reader has no incentive to care about. Like, say, five-panel interlude at the casino, where Some Guy---who we don't know and who don't care about---kills Some Other Guy---who we don't know and don't care about. Oh yeah, and there's a Sith there, so I guess that makes it awesome . Alas, no, it's completely pointless. In addition, the art doesn't help. Though well-colored, it's rather sketchy and the poses often look awkward. At times, I feel that there are pages or panels missing, due to the lack of transitional panels. For example, in this last "issue" the Togrutan Jedi is attacking the Captain in one panel, and in the next she's suddenly caught in a net. I guess we're supposed to imagine that a net came out of somewhere and captured her. It just doesn't flow.
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MercenaryAce Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 6/19 7:28pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Drat, I was hoping the E3 highlights would include a video of the demo. Threat of Peace: Well, he did get to see Sith Commandos, which have an interest look to them, with the trench coat and all... and probably sparking a lot of debate about whether they are a class or not. I also like the girl's line at the end there. Interesting to play off the robot's calculations rather than dismissing them. -----signature----- "I am no man...I am a space station!" Another star wars ships, droids and troops site: http://armiesofstarwars.com/ It does have info found nowhere Move all sig, for great justice
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 6/19 7:39pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Rogue_Follower posted: In addition, the art doesn't help. Though well-colored, it's rather sketchy and the poses often look awkward. Actually, I like the art. But I love that sketchy, muddy style. If I didn't like it I wouldn't have made it through the comic. -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 6/19 7:49pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?] - Date Edited: 6/19 7:51pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Trip
	Yeah, so I just re-read the whole thing, and I'm still totally confused. Like, okay, here's what I'm getting... EDIT: Good God that's tl;dr. Well... whatever. I guess if someone's board they can read the below. Page 1: We open on a Sith ship landing on Alderaan so the Sith delegation can discuss a peace treaty with Republic and Jedi representatives, and okay, I'm good so far. Page 2: We meet some generic Jedi, one of which needs to learn patience. In walk the Sith delegation as the impatient Jedi worries that something fishy's afoot. Page 3: Cut to Coruscant orbit, where some Sith ships blow up a security station. Page 4: Cut to the Senate chamber, where a Jedi and a clone trooper are delivering some report. They go outside and oh no, Sith ships are descending! "We were fools to trust the Sith," the Jedi moans, which, I'm not sure what he's talking about, unless the Sith demanded that they strip Coruscant of its defenses or something in order to hold the peace talks on Alderaan? Because yeah, that'd be kinda dumb. Page 5: But whatever, I'm still following okay. So, the boss (Angral) orders that he be dropped off outside the Senate, and so he is, and the Jedi and the clone run up to face him. Page 6: So then they fight. Page 7: Angral gets the better of the Jedi, and he's about to kill him, but oh no! There's a Sith ship crashing right toward the building behind them, which I'm guessing is the Senate even though it only looks vaguely like it. And BOOM! Page 8: So the explosion threw everyone a couple feet, I guess, and the clone trooper is like, oh no, the Temple! And indeed, the Jedi Temple is on fire off in the distance, but, like, didn't the Senate building just get blown up like right next to you guys? Or, wait, I guess not, because Lord Angry is now saying he has business in the Senate Tower. Which... is a different building from the Senate Rotunda, I guess? Anyway, Orgus and his clone trooper run off across a bridge or something. Page 9: Cut to the Chancellor, who's hollering about how screwed they are at the folks on Alderaan, and then Lord Angry shows up and I guess kills him, and one of the Jedi on Alderaan's like, "wtf[udge]?", and the impatient Jedi chick is like, "we've been betrayed!", and she crosses 'sabers with the Sith delegate guy who was meeting them. Page 10: The Sith delegate guy's like, "hold up, we're gonna discuss peace now," and she's like, "yeah right," and he's like, "no seriously, we're holding Coruscant hostage so you have to neener neener." And the head Jedi in the room is like, "okay." Page 11: So then we got back to Coruscant, where the Temple is on fire, and Master Doofus is like, "We cannot let the Jedi Temple fall!", and his clone is like, "dude, it's like on fire and all cracked and stuff, let's just get outta here." Page 12: So back on Alderaan, it's now nighttime, and the Jedi are talking to a holographic Jedi, and he's like, "yeah, all communications are cut off from Coruscant, so obviously we have to accept the Sith's terms," which, isn't hostage-taking kinda pointless if the interested party doesn't know that the hostages are still alive? I mean, how do the Jedi that Coruscant wasn't totally nuked? Hologram Jedi also tells Miss Impatient that she needs to apologize for freaking out on the diplomat guy for being a double-crossing no good liar. Also, he tells us that she's Bastila's descendant, which, lol. Page 13: So up until now I've at least been able to more or less follow the narrative, even if the events are stupid and nonsensical. But here's where it totally jumps off the rails: we cut to Dantooine, where there's a couple of Sith troops talking about how this might really be the end of the war, and then a Wookiee comes up and smashes their heads together. Page 14: A bounty hunter mandalorian dude is watching the wookiee, and his boss, who's a Republic officer, calls, and he's like, "forget about it, the war just ended." Mr Bounty Hunter doesn't want to quit now, though, because the Wookiee's not just wanted by the Republic, but his boss is like, "okay but the wook works for the Sith, dude, and there's a cease fire and everything," and wait, didn't the wook just KO some Sith soldiers? Page 15: So Mr Bounty Hunter's boss shoots at him and boom! he's sent flying through the air, and whoops, there's the wook towering over him. Page 16: So cut back to Coruscant, "lower levels," where Master Doofus is getting attacked by a pair of three-legged AT-AT heads. Page 17: Suddenly they explode, and look! It's his clone trooper, come to save the day. Clonie exposits how there's nothing but droids down here, and wonders where the Sith troops went. Page 18: So they go to topside, and I guess the Temple got blown up right good or something. Also, Master Doofus and his clone have grown to be like godzilla sized, or else the art just got bizarre for some reason. Page 19: Cut to Korriban, where the Sith diplomat dude (the one who was on Alderaan) is reporting to the Dark Council. He turns down their suggestions of a promotoin. Page 20: Lord Angry shows up and throws a hissy fit, accusing Lord Diplomat of not leaving him enough time to kill all the Jedi on Coruscant. Lightning is thrown, but he calms down. Page 21: Cut to Dantooine, where the Wookiee is taking Mr Bounty Hunter off to Korriban. A Sith officer tells him that they don't like Wookiees on Korriban. Page 22: Cut to the Kuat Sector, where Great-Granddaughter Shan's moping about with her Master on some kind of spaceliner. Page 23: Turns out they have a Sith droid assigned to keep tabs on them and make sure they don't break the treaty. Page 24: Now we go to Nar Shaddaa, where some guy kills some other guy and then Lord Angry shows up. Page 25: Cut to an Imperial transport, which is I think carrying our friend Mr Bounty Hunter in a holding cell. The ship's captain yells that they're being attacked by a Republic ship, and in the next panel we see what I guess is the Sith ship shooting the crap out of the Republic ship. And also preparing a boarding party, so, I guess the best defense is a good offense? Page 26: Cut to Great Granddaughter Shan, who's I guess on the Republic ship that "attacked" the Sith ship? Except wasn't she just on a spaceliner, and also why is the Sith droid saying they just came under attack, possibly by pirates? Maybe it's a totally different scene? But no, she runs out and kills two Sith commandos, so I guess she transferred from the liner to the warship at some point? Or something? Page 27: Now Shan's master is attacking the Sith captain, who I guess joined the boarding party? But he shoots her with a net gun? But where did her lightsaber go? And why is Shan running away from a dude with a net gun? And wait, this is the last page of this "Chapter"???? I'm so confused. -----signature----- RIP Jacen's Crotch 1991 - 2008
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GenAntilles Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 6/19 8:00pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	This comic, it's like having all of KOTOR comics being only the preview pages. There are characters and a story somewhere, but it appears missing between each new issue. -----signature----- God Bless America, Israel, and President Obama "The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." Thomas Jefferson
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 6/19 8:08pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Trip, you're making it sound way too coherent. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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MercenaryAce Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 6/19 8:11pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	Trip posted: Page 14: A bounty hunter mandalorian dude is watching the wookiee, and his boss, who's a Republic officer, calls, and he's like, "forget about it, the war just ended." Mr Bounty Hunter doesn't want to quit now, though, because the Wookiee's not just wanted by the Republic, but his boss is like, "okay but the wook works for the Sith, dude, and there's a cease fire and everything," and wait, didn't the wook just KO some Sith soldiers? No...those were Republic Soldiers. Their uniforms are the same as all the other Republic grunts we have seen. I have no idea what is going on with the ships though. It could be a liner converted for war, like the Mon Cal Cruisers, but it does beg the question of "who is attacking whom and why?" -----signature----- "I am no man...I am a space station!" Another star wars ships, droids and troops site: http://armiesofstarwars.com/ It does have info found nowhere Move all sig, for great justice
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Xicer Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 6/19 8:12pm Subject: Star Wars: The Old Republic (Bioware MMO) [Was KotOR III/MMO?]
	So skimming through some of the pages and reading Trip's summary, I've realized there's just way too much going on for one issue. 27 pages is roughly the size of a regular comic issue, and I can guarantee the events of this comic could easily be fleshed out into at least 4 issues. There are just too many events, too many characters with little to no characterization running around doing random stuff that isn't fully explained. I mean, I know there's a story in here somewhere, but they should at least give themselves a chance to tell it in a way that makes sense. Maybe introduce one or two small groups of characters first, slowly introduce them to the main plot and enter some narrative text as well. And 3 pages is waaaaay too short for a two-week wait. They should have done it sort of like the Dark Times MySpace comics, eight pages of good story at a time at reasonable intervals. I'm sorry DH, these are the worst comics you guys have released in a LONG time. -----signature----- "Just before your arrival, Moneo and I were discussing Infinity." "Poor Moneo." --Leto II and Malky, "God Emperor of Dune"
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