Author Topic: The Valley of Souls
DarthKuriboh  308 posts
Registered: Aug '07
Date Posted: 2/14/08 8:27pm Subject: The Valley of Souls
I've wondered ever since reading PoD (no I've never read any of the star wars comics so I'm not sure if it's answered there...) if it's possible to free the spirits of the Jedi trapped in the Valley of Souls from the Sith mind bomb? Anyone have any idea on that?

 

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 2/14/08 8:44pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
They're freed by Kyle Katarn 4000 years later.

 

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Kaje  1800 posts
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Date Posted: 2/14/08 9:24pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
995 years later.

 

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Trip  2356 posts
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Date Posted: 2/14/08 9:28pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 2/14/08 9:29pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
Yeah, my bad.

 

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Havoc_Wing  420 posts
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Date Posted: 2/14/08 11:50pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
Someone's never played Jedi Knight.

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Manisphere  2879 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 5:20am Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls - Date Edited: 2/15/08 5:23am (4 edits total) Edited By: Manisphere
I had the same question. Take a look at this thread...

http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=28043191&brd=10003&replies=21 [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=28043191&br d=10003&replies=21][/link]

 

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_Catherine_  1038 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 7:01am Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
Kaje posted:
995 years later.
1,005? thinking

 

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KnightDawg  807 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 9:22am Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
What really bothers me is that....how is in #$%& did Lord Kaan's spirit escape the tomb within the Force Thought Bomb yet others powerful in the force like Lord Hoth couldn't? Was it because he created it and thus the Dark Side of the force allowed him to be free?



 

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DarthKuriboh  308 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 9:23am Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
okay in reply no, I've never played Jedi Knight, I've never read the comics and I've only read most of the novels and seen all the movies so many times I can quote them. So, in asking this question it's not in ignorance or laziness, it's in curiosity.

 

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_Catherine_  1038 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 10:13am Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
KnightDawg posted:
What really bothers me is that....how is in #$%& did Lord Kaan's spirit escape the tomb within the Force Thought Bomb yet others powerful in the force like Lord Hoth couldn't? Was it because he created it and thus the Dark Side of the force allowed him to be free?




Kaan didn't escape; Bane hallucinated him as a long-distance effect of the thought bomb.

 

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KnightDawg  807 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 12:39pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls - Date Edited: 2/15/08 12:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: KnightDawg
_Catherine_ posted:
KnightDawg posted:
What really bothers me is that....how is in #$%& did Lord Kaan's spirit escape the tomb within the Force Thought Bomb yet others powerful in the force like Lord Hoth couldn't? Was it because he created it and thus the Dark Side of the force allowed him to be free?




Kaan didn't escape; Bane hallucinated him as a long-distance effect of the thought bomb.



Hmmm.....I've heard both theories of it being just a hallucination and it being his actual spirit.

This is the quote from Wookieepedia:

"Oddly, although the Force ghosts of all the Jedi and the Sith were thought to have been trapped in the Valley of the Jedi, Kaan's consciousness seems to have somehow escaped his own trap and communicate with Bane. Along with Qordis, who had died before the detonation of the thought bomb, he appeared to him after the battle. Former acrimony apparently forgotten, Kaan guided Bane on Dxun to a Sith holocron that would help him restore the Sith Order—and also tricked him into symbiosis with the orbalisks that would become his living armor."

CAN WE GET AN OFFICIAL CANON CLARIFICATION ON THIS ONE?.............ANYONE?

 

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_Catherine_  1038 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 12:52pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
KnightDawg posted:
_Catherine_ posted:
KnightDawg posted:
What really bothers me is that....how is in #$%& did Lord Kaan's spirit escape the tomb within the Force Thought Bomb yet others powerful in the force like Lord Hoth couldn't? Was it because he created it and thus the Dark Side of the force allowed him to be free?




Kaan didn't escape; Bane hallucinated him as a long-distance effect of the thought bomb.



Hmmm.....I've heard both theories of it being just a hallucination and it being his actual spirit.

This is the quote from Wookieepedia:

"Oddly, although the Force ghosts of all the Jedi and the Sith were thought to have been trapped in the Valley of the Jedi, Kaan's consciousness seems to have somehow escaped his own trap and communicate with Bane. Along with Qordis, who had died before the detonation of the thought bomb, he appeared to him after the battle. Former acrimony apparently forgotten, Kaan guided Bane on Dxun to a Sith holocron that would help him restore the Sith Order—and also tricked him into symbiosis with the orbalisks that would become his living armor."

CAN WE GET AN OFFICIAL CANON CLARIFICATION ON THIS ONE?.............ANYONE?


Wookieepedia is wrong. Darth Bane: Rule of Two retconned the apparent Force ghosts in "Bane of the Sith" into hallucinations.

 

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SheaHublin  102 posts
Registered: Feb '08
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 1:13pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
_Catherine_ posted:
KnightDawg posted:
_Catherine_ posted:
[quote=KnightDawg]What really bothers me is that....how is in #$%& did Lord Kaan's spirit escape the tomb within the Force Thought Bomb yet others powerful in the force like Lord Hoth couldn't? Was it because he created it and thus the Dark Side of the force allowed him to be free?




Kaan didn't escape; Bane hallucinated him as a long-distance effect of the thought bomb.



Hmmm.....I've heard both theories of it being just a hallucination and it being his actual spirit.

This is the quote from Wookieepedia:

"Oddly, although the Force ghosts of all the Jedi and the Sith were thought to have been trapped in the Valley of the Jedi, Kaan's consciousness seems to have somehow escaped his own trap and communicate with Bane. Along with Qordis, who had died before the detonation of the thought bomb, he appeared to him after the battle. Former acrimony apparently forgotten, Kaan guided Bane on Dxun to a Sith holocron that would help him restore the Sith Order—and also tricked him into symbiosis with the orbalisks that would become his living armor."

CAN WE GET AN OFFICIAL CANON CLARIFICATION ON THIS ONE?.............ANYONE?


Wookieepedia is wrong. Darth Bane: Rule of Two retconned the apparent Force ghosts in "Bane of the Sith" into hallucinations.[/quote]

Both were hallucinations? The Kaan one I can understand, but Q'ordis died before the thought bomb went off, so was he real at least?

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 1:18pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls - Date Edited: 2/15/08 1:19pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
SheaHublin posted:

Both were hallucinations? The Kaan one I can understand, but Q'ordis died before the thought bomb went off, so was he real at least?

Possibly, but I certainly hope not.

It's more heavily implied by the text that he, like Kaan, is a hallucination.

Besides, Qordis doesn't deserve to be a Sith Spirit. He's hardly a Marka Ragnos or Freedon Nadd, is he? And, IIRC, he doesn't even believe in Sith Spirits in PoD - though he might just not believe in the *continued* existance of Sith Spirits....

 

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SheaHublin  102 posts
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Date Posted: 2/15/08 1:28pm Subject: RE: The Valley of Souls
I don't think he does either. Then again, he did rediscover the location of Nadd's tomb and left behind those wonderful bank accounts for Bane to find, so at least he helped the Sith endure, even by accident.

 

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