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tjace Registered: Feb '08	Date Posted: 3/4/08 3:59pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers) - Date Edited: 3/4/08 4:02pm (1 edits total) Edited By: tjace
	finally finished it. I went into it trying to be fair minded and ignore all the spoilers and opinions I had heard. But the accusations made were true. Jaina was portrayed as a weak person, even though I understand the beskad scene and she did get the red mist technique, something Ive waited for for a long time. The Mandos seemed to have all the answers: a violent culture was seen as more loving and ethical than the defenders of the galaxy. The story seemed weak for the most part. However, the battle of Fondor was very well done and rescued the book from a much lower rating. 4/10. -----signature----- "It's not about the legacy you leave, it's about the life you live." -- Mara Jade Skywalker 3300 BBY fanfic: http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/30374242/p1 Aurë entuluva! <\/>
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 3/4/08 4:15pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Thrawn McEwok posted: It'll probably annoy you to know that Marvel Star Wars #92 featured scenes set in the afterlife... Yeah, I read that one. I chalk it up to artistic license, kinda like the "Force Ghosts" in Requiem for a Rogue. You could even look at it as Yoda helping the girl, whatever her name was, over to the 'other side,' so to speak... easing her into nothingness. Something like the classic tunnel of light/life flashing before eyes near death experience. -----signature----- RIP Jacen's Crotch 1991 - 2008
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 3/4/08 6:17pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Average score: 339.41/53 = 6.40 -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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Darth_Fungible Registered: Mar '08	Date Posted: 3/4/08 10:35pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Favorite part: Niathal and Caedus going their separate ways. Nitpickiest irritation: Tahiri refering to the Yuuzhan Vong as "the Vong." Biggest disappointment: The depiction of the Jedi. Since I first saw The Empire Srikes Back on the big screen in 1980, I have enjoyed getting caught up in the world of Star Wars. But this book seems to undermine the entire Star Wars universe. Yodakenobi put best into words how I felt as I turned each page. Ugh. Rating: 3/10
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 3/5/08 4:56am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	I also salute Yoda Kenobi's view.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 3/5/08 5:03am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Trip posted: Thrawn McEwok posted: It'll probably annoy you to know that Marvel Star Wars #92 featured scenes set in the afterlife... Yeah, I read that one. I chalk it up to artistic license, kinda like the "Force Ghosts" in Requiem for a Rogue. You could even look at it as Yoda helping the girl, whatever her name was, over to the 'other side,' so to speak... easing her into nothingness. Something like the classic tunnel of light/life flashing before eyes near death experience. So, your argument is that there's no afterlife except for all the evidence against it, which doesn't count.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 3/5/08 5:04am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers) - Date Edited: 3/5/08 11:16am (3 edits total) Edited By: Havac
	Star Wars: Revelation By. Charles Phipps My Non-Spoiler Review Wow, Revelations is the worst Star Wars book ever written. It trumps Star Wars: Medstar, Jedi Trial, and Ruins of Dantooine. Seriously, it actually trumps everything that I've seen before in terms of the sheer wrongness of the damn thing. The problem isn't Karen Traviss' writing, it's the fact that she has created the Mirror-Star Wars Universe. This is the only book in history that I actually can say that the characters are unrecognizable in. Up is down, Black is White, Good is Evil, and Evil is good. Everyone is a kriffing lunatic in the book and there's such sheer wrongness with it that it's like Karen Traviss is trying to write against reality. She wants very much Star Wars to be something other than it is and its not WORKING. Along with Ruins of Dantooine, it is the only book I honestly recommend the posters here to just outright skip. Each passage is infuriating and like reading someone's fanfic where Harry Potter is a vicious bully to Draco Malfoy. No, what's clear is that the author truly honestly believes Harry Potter is a vicious bully to Draco Malfoy and is confused why the books don't reflect this view. I love Karen Traviss' writing as a general rule but this is something I actually rank with Kevin J. Anderson's Dune novels for things that never should have been written. This is what this book does to a series I love. My score is .01. Where do I begin with what's wrong with this book? Okay, I start with the character of Admiral Daala. Admiral Daala is the heroic champion of the Empire who comes to rescue the world of Fondor and the people thereof from the vicious forces of Colonel Solo. Start Spoilers Admiral Daala, the War Criminal. Admiral Daala who butchered the entire colony of Dantooine for a military execise, who blew up a Corvette for the joy of it, who slaughtered civilians by the score in the attacks of Operation: Knight Hammer, who BUTCHERED Foamwater City and it's entire populous, who attacked the Jedi Academy with massive forces to slaughter a bunch of Jedi Knights out of plain old vengeance, who tortured Kyp Durron, and plotted to murder the whole of Coruscant. She's a MASS murderer who turned against the kriffing Empire in a book just because of her anger at a Moff for snubbing her in college. She's a monster. Arguably, worse than Jacen Solo. Likewise, Boba Fetts consistent portrayal as the wounded hero. Boba Fett wasn't at fault for hunting down Jedi because they killed his father. Boba Fett wasn't at fault for killing his superior officer because they raped his wife. Boba Fett had to put down Fenn Shysa because it was a mercy killing. Boba Fett wasn't at fault for hunting down Han Solo or working for the pants SPACE NAZIS well....because he's just THAT awesome. Boba Fett killed an entire ***ing garrison and worked for Jabba the Hutt. He's SCUM and the story keeps trying to retcon him as a secretly noble man underneath. Also, Boba Fett basically says that the entire galaxy would be better off without the Jedi. Nevermind the galaxy would have been destroyed by the Yuuzhan Vong or the million million million threats elsewise. The Sith would also exist without the Jedi because they're an alien race that ABSORBED fallen Jedi. We also get this opinion echoed by Barden Jusik whom more or less says how ashamed he was of being a Jedi Knight for them using a slave army. Right, the Clone Soldiers who were eager to go to war were such victims of a people who fought and died to save the rest of the galaxy from slaughter. I don't expect Karin Traviss to know all this. I'm not a continuity pants. However, I'll say this nicely, I expect her to understand the very basics of the Star Wars Mythos. I.e. That the Jedi Knights are noble heroes and exemplars of light, Boba Fett is a bad person whose past should be looked on with shame even if he's to be treated with some sympathy, and the Empire was a period of Space Nazis. Is it possible Karen never saw Episodes IV through VI? I honestly wonder. You know, I never thought this would happen but I actually have been brought over to Child of Wind's view. Karen Traviss honestly hates the Jedi, hates all the attention they recieves, and keeps trying to write them as the villains of the peace. It's like she's fixated on Anti-heroes like Mad Max that she can't stand a Paladin or Knight. Carrying on my comments, we're in a whacky universe where Admiral Daala and Boba Fett are heroes while Tahiri Veila has fallen to the Dark Side and become Jacen Solo's willing Sith apprentice. Yes, Tahiri the Bare foot girl apprentcie with the blonde hair is now a Dark Lord of the Sith. Now, I could buy Jacen Solo as an Evil Tyrant. At this point, Tahiri Veila being a murderous Sith assassin is so utterly bizarre that it literally seems like we're not even remotely in the same universe anymore. It's like Leia, Empress of the Galaxy or Han Solo the Sheriff of Nottingham. What the Hell!? I also want to confess that this book is ridiculously Pro-Mandalorian. It's actually to the point of seld-Parody. Mandalorian grunts can defeat a Sith Lord, plenty of Mandalorians killed plenty of Jedi during the Rise of the Empire period, and no Jedi can stand against a Mandalorian in battle. It's like the Mandalorians became the Spartans from Halo* overnight and the Jedi became Covenant Grunts. What's worse is that Jaina, a 30 year old veteran of war and former Colonel is being told not to hold her punches....she's a JEDI, you are dead before you draw your sword. Apparently, Karin Traviss has missed the irony of preparing Mandalorians as Samurai and Jedi Knights as.....hell if I know. Holy, crap, it's actually All-Star Batman and Robin except somehow Frank Miller has possessed Karin Traviss (Jedi Ben will get what I mean, I hope). Jacen Solo has also become Admiral Daala. He's insane and I mean just this shy of Joruus C'boath levels of lunacy. He drools to himself, talks about being a Sith openly (and no one seems to know what a Sith IS outside of the galaxy), and makes assinine plots of mass murder left and right. He's not even allowed to be an effective dictator as Admiral Pellaeon degrades the Jedi as leaders. What's weird is this book almost makes sense if I made it a fanfic with Daala replaced by Honor Harrington, all Mandalorian references are to Spartans, Boba Fett is the Master Chief, and the Jedi are the Venture Brothers (since they're THAT stupid apparently). I swear to you, I think Traviss would have Jaina marry into the Mandalorians if she could. Forget her as Empress, it's better she start wearing armor.
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AnnLouise Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 3/5/08 5:39am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Charlemagne19 posted: and the Jedi are the Venture Brothers (since they're THAT stupid apparently). I swear to you, I think Traviss would have Jaina marry into the Mandalorians if she could. Forget her as Empress, it's better she start wearing armor. The LOTF Jedi aren't even Venture Bros. smart. The contestants in Monty Python's Britsh Upper Class Twit of the Year could knock these "Jedi" back to last week. And other than showing the total superiority of the Mandolorian Way, why is Jaina training with them? It's sad to see Luke Skywalker, an actual hero with a moral compass, shoved aside in favor of the superior Boba Fett. Apparently Luke's training wouldn't do squat, since he's actually been able to take on Jacen. I started this series looking forward to getting back into reading SW. Now I almost wonder why I bothered, since the point of this series (or at least the KT books) is showing the Jedi, the best thing about SW according to SW Insider, as pathetic has-beens. -----signature----- http://outerrimsieges.com We're a fun group http://thehungersite.com http://www.endabuse.org http://www.librarything.com Catalog Your Books Online Violence Against Women Is Always Wrong
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Zebra3 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 3/5/08 5:59am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	I've been lurking for quite a long time now, but I thought I'd just pop in to say I completely agree with YodaKenobi's review. Everything and everyone in this book just seemed to be... off somehow. It's like Traviss is trying to write Star Wars as she thinks it should be, not as it is. Changing Shysa's history is the best example here. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Or rather, If it ain't broke don't proceed to break it and rebuild it in your image just because you think it would look better that way. I'm also somewhat ambivalent about the whole Mando thing. One the one hand I think it's good that we're seeing a focus on groups other than the Jedi and Sith and GA. On the other hand, Traviss is writing them as better than everyone in the galaxy and I hate that. There are more problems in this book than I care to mention, thankfully YodaKenobi and Charlemagne19 said everything I could say. 1/10 -----signature----- recipient of the coveted Corellian Ewokstripes with bronze cluster My icon archive -- > http://zebra3icons.bravehost.com/main1.html I'm currently reading Han Solo's Revenge I'm currently playing Tomb Raider Anniversary
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 3/5/08 6:38am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers) - Date Edited: 3/5/08 6:59am (1 edits total) Edited By: Manisphere
	This is to me easily Traviss' most emotionally accessible book. The odd thing in this novel as opposed to Inferno is that I found Jaina and the Mando stuff much more interesting than that self doubting Sith Lord, Caedus. I of course am liking Ben Skywalker. He seems an even more pragmatic and empathetic Jedi than Anakin Solo. So that would be perfection I suppose. The book did drag for a while and several ideas were gone over more than once or went on a bit long. I keep thinking about Caedus. Someone should kill him if only to kill his constant train of nonstop rationalizing. Poor guy. He's Hamlet without a cause. Not a strong enough villain for 9 books. Then again who is? I liked the way the novel wrapped up. I was able to connect to the Mandolorians. I did miss Han, Leia, Luke and the Jedi. Any Jedi. I can't much say I like what's happened to Luke and his Jedi. Where are they? Okay, It was a Fett book feat. Jaina Solo. Doesn't mean it was bad. Doesn't mean I didn't enjoy parts of this book. It certainly doesn't deserve 1 or 2 out of 10. There are waaay worse SW books than Revelation. 6/10 -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 3/5/08 6:56am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	AnnLouise posted: The LOTF Jedi aren't even Venture Bros. smart. The contestants in Monty Python's Britsh Upper Class Twit of the Year could knock these "Jedi" back to last week. This is easily the funniest thing I have read on these forums in a long, long time sheerly for the excellent bridging that took place and what both references imply. Also, regarding Ben and hopefully people move on now, can't it just be that the view of "everyone becomes one with the Force" is what Ben was thinking about? Not Force Ghosting, but, y'know, BECOMING ONE WITH THE FORCE. There is no Death; there is the Force? Y'know... CODE?!? -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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Obilieveinme Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 3/5/08 7:29am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	This thread has gone from weird to absurd...It is an amazing study in Mob Rules. One spark in the theater set the thread on fire. -----signature----- George W. Bush is the Ganner Rhysode of our time.
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 3/5/08 7:47am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Obilieveinme posted: This thread has gone from weird to absurd...It is an amazing study in Mob Rules. One spark in the theater set the thread on fire. And yet another post of "we don't like what we don't understand in fact it scares us" (a good Beauty and the Beast quote if there ever was one). Because YOU like the book doesn't mean people have to agree with you or even that you are in the majority. Could it be, in fact, that gasp people actually feel the way they are posting rather than following mob rule? -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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Mange Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 3/5/08 7:48am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Obilieveinme posted: This thread has gone from weird to absurd...It is an amazing study in Mob Rules. One spark in the theater set the thread on fire. Uh, why? Because people are writing negative reviews about a book which it seems the majority wasn't too happy about? -----signature----- There is no try.
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Darth_Fungible Registered: Mar '08	Date Posted: 3/5/08 9:19am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	It would be hypocritical to say that Boba Fett couldn’t find his own form of redemption. Darth Vader, after all, was redeemed… But the real problem is that in this book, Jaina Solo, the Sword of the Jedi, has been refashioned into a sword of beskar, the Sword of the Mandalorians.
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