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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 3/5/08 3:28pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	If you're not reviewing, discuss in the discussion thread. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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Rouge77 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/5/08 3:47pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers) - Date Edited: 3/5/08 3:48pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rouge77
	Darth_Lex, I posted my answers to the main Revelation thread. -----signature----- Recipient of the Confederation Ewok with "Rebel Yub"® Action!! Kill Ben Skywalker, the new Jar-Jar!
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Flowerlady Registered: Dec '05	Date Posted: 3/5/08 4:59pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Before I begin, let me say that overall, I have greatly enjoyed Legacy of the Force. I would rate most of the books from 5 to 9, Bloodlines at 5, Fury at 9. However, I cannot say I enjoyed Revelation; though I devoured it as quickly as I have all books of this series. At first, I did enjoy it. I found that I really enjoyed Jacen’s characterization and felt that he was growing into the Sith Master he is supposed to be. I thought Ben was holding it together well and I liked seeing him and Lon working together. I enjoyed Pelleaon and felt Ms. Traviss did him justice, for the most part. And I even found myself, for the first time, liking Niathal. The part of the book that I enjoyed the most was probably the Battle of Fondor. There wasn’t much there that I didn’t like, in fact. Even the way Pelleaon was assassinated to Daala showing up on the scene with some really interesting sounding weapons. Of course, my very favorite parts were Luke’s illusion and Caedus brining down the shields. Those were just plain awesome. However, as the book progressed, instead of me liking the characters I initially liked more, I became frustrated with their constant anti-Jediism, some of which really seemed obsessive and greatly out of character for these people. For example: Niathal’s comments and thoughts about Luke turning information over to the Fondorians. Well, what did she think they would do with it, especially after one of the Chiefs of State shows up and blows their ships out of the sky? Invite them for tea? Come on, I realize that she should feel bad about it, and that is partly what made me like her more as a character, but blaming Luke and the Jedi for it didn’t seem right. Also, Pelly’s ignorance of certain things regarding the Jedi, just bugged the Corellian Hells out of me. First of all, the man probably worked with Jedi at one point in his career during the Clone Wars. Then, he surely would have been exposed to Vader at some point. But, I’m sorry, I found his total ignorance about some of Jacen’s abilities totally infuriating. Should I remind everyone about Thrawn and Ca’both?... I realize he’s old, but surely he remembers the reasons for which Thrawn had him chasing the pregnant Leia 32 years before—okay, I’ll whisper it in his ear…so that the Solo twins could help coordinate battle with Ca’both by using Battle Mediation. Sorry about the rant, but nothing bothers me more than characters suddenly forgetting something that took three books to tell. It just shows how non-versed the author is, especially something as fundamental as TTT. Now, what really irked me was Jaina’s vacation on Mandalore. Okay, I thought her going to study with Fett actually not a bad idea, but what I didn’t like was the anti-Jedi slugfest/total Mando lovefest it turned into. I would have preferred seeing more of her training, less of Fett’s more than dysfunctional family life and being told how much I should pity him for being a cold blooded killer now that he has regrets. Crap! The man should have regrets and lots of them! I would have also preferred, if around ever corner, Jaina didn’t seem like the little Jedi Princess who knows nothing and finally had her Jedi corrupted eyes opened by a society that gives live blasters to four year olds. Yes, Jaina may have learned how to handle a lightsaber at a tender age, but she didn’t actually begin carrying one until she realized what it meant to kill someone. I can understand Fett’s hatred for the Jedi, I think it’s sick, but I understand it. What I didn’t understand was why Jaina never once stood up for herself and the Jedi. All of her arguments were weak, at best, and easily countered by the Old Wise God Fett. There was much more that I found upsetting about the ending, especially about Gotab’s Jedi hatred and his outright disgust of the Force. That I just don’t understand. But most of that has already been said and I feel that this is getting long enough. But if I had read the word Naboo one more time…. Finally, I will close on some of the things that I did come away feeling positive about. Jaina and Jag as a couple… someone could argue with me, but I feel pretty good about it. Ben becoming more adjusted and good. Niathal taking a stand against Caedus. Jacen truly becoming a powerful Sith. Sure he was tricked by Luke, but he also brought down the Fondorian shields…And he learned how to funnel his anger instead of throttling his most loyal lieutenants. Pelleaon’s last stand. I actually think it was fantastically done. I also enjoyed some of the humor that was laced throughout, when it wasn’t aimed at the Jedi. Over all I give this book the lowest rating of all of the LotF books--- 4 out of 10 I hope Invincible returns my pleasure in the LotF, even if it doesn’t end well for Caedus. FL -----signature----- Master to DanaeMariSkywalker, JediMasterArmada and PHGS_Weyr All WIP's on hiatus.... website: http://www.authorswe.webs.com/ Thank you to all that believe in me...Love ya!
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NelanisGhost Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 3/5/08 7:58pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	YodaKenobi is the most right. It's as if it's a SW story, but there is no such thing as the force. An alternate universe. But I have said that about everything after TUF, repeatedly. -----signature----- If there's a bright center of the galaxy, you're on the planet it's farthest from: Earth Our own stunning bright center: http://astrosurf.com/sguisard/Pagim/GC.html Barnes and Noble: TFU hardcover. Nice! $5.98 in discount section.....
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AnnLouise Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 3/5/08 8:02pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers) - Date Edited: 3/5/08 8:09pm (1 edits total) Edited By: AnnLouise
	DarkScythe posted: It's not that those characters have those views. It's that no one in Universe when Traviss is writing disagree with them or points out the blatant hypocrisy and inaccuracy of them. There doesn't even have to be another character saying anything for the other side. Just by the way the authors present the dialogue, how they describe the person saying those words, can indicate that there's more to the issue than just what's being said by one person. Or that a character can be saying one thing and be lying to themselves and know (or not know) it. The views expressed by Gotab didn't have any undercurrent, nothing. Plus, anyone reading Revelations who didn't have any idea who this Gotab guy was wouldn't know squat about why he felt so bitter. As for making up my own mind, I just kept wondering why he was so pissed off. Since the last major SW I've seen/read was the PT, his dialogue just seemed like more of the same; idiot Jedi and the damage wreaked on the Galaxy because of their elitist myopic arrogance. -----signature----- http://outerrimsieges.com We're a fun group http://thehungersite.com http://www.endabuse.org http://www.librarything.com Catalog Your Books Online Violence Against Women Is Always Wrong
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 3/5/08 8:03pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	NelanisGhost posted: YodaKenobi is the most right. It's as if it's a SW story, but there is no such thing as the force. An alternate universe. But I have said that about everything after TUF, repeatedly. responded in the other thread.
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jedimaster_spongebob Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 3/6/08 3:50am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	ChildOfWinds posted: I haven't read the book, but I have read all of the reviews and many of the posts in the Official Revelation thread. ... All of these things and many others make this a bad Star Wars book, deserving of low scores, in my opinion. Your opinion of the book is made completely irrelevant by the fact that you haven't even read it. I HAVE read it, and I thought it was excellent. The characterization was great. I never really cared much about Jaina until this series, and the parts with her training with the Mandalorians were really good. I've really enjoyed the whole series so far. While I liked the whole NJO series, I thought it jumped around stylistically because of the number of authors involved. LOTF feels much tighter and more cohesive and makes for a better read, in my opinion. 10/10
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Jedi_Earnhardt Registered: Jan '06	Date Posted: 3/6/08 6:39am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers) - Date Edited: 3/6/08 7:30am (4 edits total) Edited By: Jedi_Earnhardt
	yodakenobi posted: This is a book about bigotry and prejudice, but not one with a message against it, or even one that seems ambivalent: It's very clear from beginning to end that the message here is that it's just to hate someone for a genetic trait, and that if that trait makes you uncomfortable, they deserve your scorn Yeah, where's the cultural diversity? Great review! things I liked After Luke, Ben, and the Solos learn that Jacen killed Mara, they keep silent. I have to give the author credit for not putting in something sarcastic or petty or something goofy like -- "Jacen killed Mara, I'll be borked." I also liked Ben and Shevu sneaking into Jacen's stealthX to find some clues about Jacen's involvment into Mara's death. things I didn't like The constant repitition of Italics. It seems the author thinks the people reading the book are less than able to understand the meaning everytime someone makes a point and it has to be enuciated, even during character musing. And on almost every page one sentence ends with 'always have' or 'it never does'. Just mildly irritating Like other have stated, it seems the author doesn't like Jedi, but this series is called the Legacy of the Force. And the beings in this galaxy that use the Force - (big F) - are Jedi. I have no problem with the author having her own Mando series set during the Legacy era, but I wish she would leave the Jedi alone. It seems all the characters are petty and sarcastic and of like mind. that's okay sometimes but constantly having all character in that mindset gets annoying. Where's the diversity I really didn't like Pellaeon's character in this either. Thrawn was a big influence on his life and not once did the ol' Chiss come to mind, during an epic battle no less. It's not a big deal but the book says he's wearing a grey uniform when Grand Admirals wear white. And everytime I saw Gil, I thought of Grissam from CSI, It's Gilad. And whats with Niathal and Pellaeon using first names during a battle, that seemed kinda juvenile. Finally, his dying thoughts were of getting back at the Moffs, how petty. Come to think of it Mara died in anger too. Looking at other EU characters that have died, most seem to go peacefully, returning to the light or trying to help the living. Alema wasn't resentful when she went, asking Jag to remember her as she once was. Raana Tey seemed to let go of her hate toward her end. Yoda tried to give Luke as much knowledge as he could with his dying breath. Nelani wasn't angry, looking right into the eyes of her killer she tried to make him see reason, she didn't care if she lived or not. Vader, Ulic, I'm sure we could come up with a big list. Even in Exile page. 330 - Leia was thinking her death was coming - She closed her eyes, determinded to be peaceful in her last moments. It seems KT does't favor peaceful or noble deaths. It's either petty and sarcastic, or spiteful, right to the end, always has. *sentence written w/ italics to make my point I don't mind the inclusion of gay characters, what I don't like is the author using the SW fiction that we know and love as her platform for spouting what she thinks about social issues. Bloodlines and Hard Contact were great books, but since then the author has went away from good storytelling and started using these books to rant about current events and her hatred of Jedi. Bloodlines was great - Sacrifice was OK - Revelation was crap I'll give it 3/10... -----signature----- The 9 scariest words you'll ever hear -- "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." How's that hope and change working for you?
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rebel_cheese Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 3/6/08 7:23am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	I haven't finished Revelation yet, but I want you guys to know this is probably going to be my most negative review ever unless the final 150 pages redeems itself. So far it is a 2/10. -----signature----- Padawan of princess_of_naboo E-married to the amazing padawanlost Member of Charon_Force The Incubus Cries: http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/30141520/p1/?18
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jedimaster203 Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 3/6/08 7:44am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Jedi_Earnhardt posted: And whats with Niathal and Pellaeon using first names during a battle, that seemed kinda juvenile. Officers generally address each other by their first name in the real military. Its more collegial. It wouldn't be out of place for a commanding general to call one of his colonels and say "Bob, I need this" or "Steve, I need a sitrep now". The use of Cha and Gil didn't bother me at all. -----signature----- The next four years are gonna suck. -The lions in their dens tremble at his approach-
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darthbangkok Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/6/08 8:05am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Awful awful book. My score is 4/10, only because some of the action scenes were written well and as others have said, there are other SW books worse. We can save the 1s 2s and 3s for them. There's too much to complain about and I don't have three hours to write about it. At first I was pleasantly surprised that the Mando sections didn't make me vomit. But that feeling went away after the Fondor battle was over. There are barely even many scenes where Jaina is getting trained. Its just more and more of the soap opera that is Fett's past with his wife. Who cares, its not even half as dramatic as it was portrayed. And Jaina sounded like some drivelling teenager "What's the answer? What's the answer?" to anyone who happened to be around. The whole book is just totally contrived. Once again, pulling in old characters from the mothballs from every direction. And they all just happen to be part of the main events in the galaxy once again. Everything fits together like a nice little puzzle. Boring! Unlikely! Unbelievable! There are other people in the galaxy for goodness sake. Caedus confessing to everyone that he is a Sith? Please call me Darth Caedus? And no one is reacting to this??? This book was written for two year olds. I think I will change my score to 3/10. Thanks for the therapy.
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darthbangkok Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/6/08 8:06am Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	rebel_cheese posted: I haven't finished Revelation yet, but I want you guys to know this is probably going to be my most negative review ever unless the final 150 pages redeems itself. So far it is a 2/10. I think you will lower your score based on the last 150 pages.
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Jedi_Earnhardt Registered: Jan '06	Date Posted: 3/6/08 1:22pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	jedimaster203 posted: Jedi_Earnhardt posted: And whats with Niathal and Pellaeon using first names during a battle, that seemed kinda juvenile. Officers generally address each other by their first name in the real military. Its more collegial. It wouldn't be out of place for a commanding general to call one of his colonels and say "Bob, I need this" or "Steve, I need a sitrep now". The use of Cha and Gil didn't bother me at all. I'll take you word for it, being as I have zero real world military experience, But usually during big space battles, officers tend to call each other by rank and last name like 'Admiral Pellaeon'. The Dark Tide duology is first thing I recall off the top of my head, during the battle for Ithor Kre'fey and Pellaeon called each other Admiral every time. It just seems more professional. I'm not meaning this as sarcasm and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure during battles in the real world, military officers don't engage in gossip about other officers of equal rank while soldiers are dying. Niathal did that and I thought it was very obnoxious & juvenile. but I'm just one guy, if you liked it that's cool. -----signature----- The 9 scariest words you'll ever hear -- "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." How's that hope and change working for you?
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Spike2002 Title: Former FF-UK RSA and Arena Manager Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 3/6/08 4:51pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	YodaKenobi posted: Hitting the nail squarely on the head As for my own review: I'd already heard about some Revelation Spoilers from the discussion thread here and elsewhere, so I didn't have high hopes. I even actually managed to enjoy Daala's return and the insertion of some long-lost technology that I thought only I had managed to remember (metal-crystal phase shifters). I even overlooked the continuity error of Pellaeon forgetting he had a female Moff in the NJO because some of those scenes written revolving around the Empire/Jacen etc were great. But then I read the Mandalorian scenes, and I physically sat there looking like this: YodaKenobi said exactly what I wanted to say, but I'd just like to add that it's time Lucasfilm actually did a thorough read of the books the authors they've hired have written and stand up to them and tell them that their pet characters/species are not the centre stage and the moral high ground of the story. They're paying these authors to write Star Wars, which, incidentally, is about the struggle between the Jedi and the Sith, and not how awesome the Mandalorians are (which they're not, to be honest). This book gets 3/10. And I can't wait for Invincible to hurry up and come out so I can complete the series and then put them all in a box so I never have to re-read them again. -----signature----- "It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him." - Arthur C. Clarke I agree with halibut Master to Louis_Skywalker Proud Recipient of the Golden Elegos™
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Rouge77 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/6/08 5:27pm Subject: RE: The JC Lit Reviews Special: LEGACY OF THE FORCE: REVELATION (Spoilers)
	Shouldn't somebody count the current score? -----signature----- Recipient of the Confederation Ewok with "Rebel Yub"® Action!! Kill Ben Skywalker, the new Jar-Jar!
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